China helping to arm Russia with helicopters, drones and metals - eviltoast
  • barsoap@lemm.ee
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    1 year ago

    So how does China intend to end the war, respecting Ukraine’s sovereignty, without getting Russian leadership to subscribe to the said principle?

      • barsoap@lemm.ee
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        1 year ago

        A ceasefire at this point would benefit Russia militarily.

        And “should”? “preferably”? Are you going to bend reality by the force of moral imperatives?

        Russia is unwilling to hold peace talks that involve Ukraine being sovereign and having its territorial integrity intact. According to the Chinese list itself, it’s Russia that needs to make the next step towards peace – by fucking off to behind its own borders.

        • Bnova [he/him]@hexbear.net
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          1 year ago

          My brother in Christ, Ukraine is unwilling to hold peace talks with Ukraine being sovereign. The last time they were close to a peace deal Boris Johnson flew his orangutan ass into Ukraine like Marry Poppins and killed the peace deal. Sovereign nations really do get to have Boris Johnson have final say in all decision making.

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            1 year ago

            No way he has any influence in a foreign country, Boris Johnson can’t even influence his own hair. Britain is like irrelevant on a global scale.

            • zephyreks@programming.dev
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              1 year ago

              Britain is still relevant in Europe, even if they’re no longer able to influence Asia/Africa/the Americas.

              • FluffyPotato@lemm.ee
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                1 year ago

                How? They had their influence in the EU but not anymore. I can’t think of any influence they have currently.

          • barsoap@lemm.ee
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            1 year ago

            Ukraine is absolutely willing to talk about peace, thing is Russia has to leave the country first.

            And as you’re bringing up the Brits, are you acquainted with the term “appeasement”?

            • nat_turner_overdrive [he/him]@hexbear.net
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              Ukraine is absolutely willing to talk about peace, thing is Russia has to leave the country first.

              Liberals understand what peace talks are challenge, any percent (impossible)

        • Ram_The_Manparts [he/him]@hexbear.net
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          1 year ago

          A ceasefire at this point would benefit Russia militarily.

          It would also benefit the people of Ukraine who are currently living in an active warzone.

          This should not be difficult to understand.

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                1 year ago

                I’m not going to. How did you get the impression that I would?

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                    1 year ago

                    I’m very keen on the war to end quickly. I’ve said so from the start. Given that the war is not going to end before Russia loses, there’s no other option than to support Ukraine. On top of that it’s Ukraine which has the righteous cause.

                    I’ve had a gazillion of hexbears try to dunk on me here for a day now, and none of you had any better idea on how to end the war quickly. The best I’ve heard bogs down to “invite the Kremlin for talks and sing Kumba Ya”. That’s wishful thinking.

                    So, pray tell, what is your idea on how to end the war quickly?