Elon Musk reveals Tesla software-locked cheapest Model Y, offers 40-60 more miles of range - eviltoast
  • NeoNachtwaechter@lemmy.world
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    6 months ago

    They were the best electric car to buy for a long time.

    Well, if you were buying a car with both your eyes wide shut.

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        6 months ago

        Renault Zoe, Kia Soul, BMW i3 and the list goes on. It just depends on what people expected of their cars.

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          None of those had close to the range of the Model X in 2015. Having less than 200mi range makes things difficult. Doubly so because the charging infrastructure wasn’t there (and barely is now). The infrastructure that did exist was put there by Tesla.

          Though with proper charging infrastructure, having more than 400mi isn’t really necessary, and is almost silly.

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            I suppose that‘s quite location dependent. In Europe those cars sold really well, better than the Tesla’s in 2015. Maybe that‘s because the distances are shorter and there always was more non Tesla charging infrastructure!?

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              Probably, yes.

              My wife goes to work and back on a Mini EV, which is around 110 mi range. Basically a BMW i3 dropped into the chassis of a Cooper S. It’s not suitable for road trips in the US. If L3 charging was a little more reliable, you could almost do it, but it would still suck and I wouldn’t choose to do it except in a pinch.

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        That would wholly depend on your qualifications of “better”. Plenty of cars existed that could get you to work and back. None of them were “go 0-60 in 2 seconds and kill all the children in the crosswalk automatically with autopilot!”. If that’s your qualification for “better” then fine, you win. But there were other EV’s that I thought were wholesale better after I looked at the early Tesla’s in person and just couldn’t get it out of my head of how ugly and dumb the car actually is.

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          My wife needs to run on a ~70 mile trip about once a week to help their mom, often in freezing temperatures. An EV reasonably capable of that didn’t really exist outside of Tesla until the last few years.

          Please stuff the “kill all the children in the crosswalk” nonsense. It doesn’t help anything. Until the Cybertruck, Tesla didn’t even offer anything like that.

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              Now try it in freezing weather, and account for 70 miles in both directions. And you don’t want to actually use the entire range, but rather sit in the 10-80% marks. No, none of them could.

              I’ll criticize Tesla for actual reasons.

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                and account for 70 miles in both directions.

                Now you’ve moved goalposts from the previous post. The trip magically went from 70 miles to 140 miles. If this conversation is just going to be shifting the argument repeatedly, then I’m just going to walk away.