[DISCUSSION] Foundation S02E06 - Why the Gods Made Wine (Spoilers) - eviltoast

Premise:

Day and Queen Sareth make an announcement. Tellem sows seeds of distrust between Gaal and Hari. Hober Mallow reaches his destination.

Directors:

Alex Graves

Writers:

David S. Goyer, Josh Friedman
EPISODE RELEASE DATE
S02E06 - Why the Gods Made Wine Aug 18th, 2023 on Apple TV+
  • Doublepluskirk@startrek.website
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    1 year ago

    It’s nice to get that context for Seldon, but the whole ‘life flashing before their eyes, deathbed flashback’ trope took me out of the episode.

    • Car@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      1 year ago

      I thought it was more alluding to the secret that the Mentallic leader pulled out of his memories. We hear that he’s ashamed of something and not as perfect a man as everyone thinks he is and only find out what happened as his “dying” thought.

      Plays well with Salvor theorizing that he was brought back to life to have some flesh in the game and him debating killing himself with the scientist during the stampede but deciding not to. He had a reason to live (and kill) before, so why not now?

      • CeruleanRuin@lemmings.world
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        1 year ago

        And Tellem knows all this now, which she would not have done had he gone there as a hologram.

        Which suggests that whoever gave him a body knew this and did so exactly because it was the only way to win over the Mentalics.

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      1 year ago

      Could be and probably is a fakeout. Tellem just wanted to put Seldon through that to wring whatever she could put of his mind. So in that sense the deathbed flashback trope was actually a literal plot point. It wasn’t just us seeing those things, but Tellem. Maybe she’ll learn something that changes her mind about Seldon.

      In fact, I think whoever gave him a body again did it for exactly this purpose. A holo-Seldon would not have been vulnerable to Tellem, and thus wouldn’t have succeeded in eventually winning her over. The whole resurrected Hari gambit is a strategy to win over the Mentalics.

      Plus if they really were going to kill Seldon (again), they wouldn’t have used it as a cliffhanger. They would’ve just killed him.