Oh no, Anarchists! - eviltoast
  • huginn@feddit.it
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    7 months ago

    Remains to be seen if anarchism can ever win though.

    Statist forces have always triumphed.

    • db0@lemmy.dbzer0.comOP
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      7 months ago

      Monarchy always triumphed over democracy until it didn’t. Slavery always triumphed over abolition until it didn’t.

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        7 months ago

        But none of those triumphs were inevitable.

        It’s nice to think they were: I’d rather live in a world without slavery and with democracy but there was no guarantee of success except the fact that in hindsight it was successful.

        Not all forms of government have won out. Nor will all possible forms of government succeed.

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          7 months ago

          Yes, but looking forward from their end, with your perspective, none of them were possible. My point is that it’s fallacious to claim that just because it hasn’t succeed yet, it can’t succeed.

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            7 months ago

            Remains to be seen if anarchism can ever win though.

            Statist forces have always triumphed.

            Nowhere does this preclude future victory: this is an accurate representation of the current state of affairs. Anarchy has 0 victories and it remains to be seen if there will be any.

            Until 1783 Democracy had no modern victories either, and it very much remained to be seen if it would.

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              7 months ago

              Make a point. Don’t make me assume what your point is and then just restate random facts still without making a point.

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                7 months ago

                My point is and always has been the same: we don’t and can’t know if Anarchism will win out against statist forces or not. All we know is that it never has.

                If you’re expecting a more polemic argument about Anarchism Bad or something you won’t find it. I wasn’t here to debate anarchism: just to add a caveat.

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                  7 months ago

                  I mean your argument boils down to “we can’t see the futurere” to which I can only answer “well duh”. There’s nothing there.

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        7 months ago

        Now we’re just waiting to see if anarchism will have that moment where they’ll triumph.

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      7 months ago

      Every empire’s days are numbered, it’s not like anything is destined to be forever. I wonder how many days are left for the Zapatistas?

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        7 months ago

        Past performance is no indicator of future performance. It’s entirely possible that the Zapatistas cause the collapse of the Mexican government just as it’s possible that they fade away into oblivion.

        The luddites were annihilated and their philosophy has never been as prevalent or popular as it was in their uprising. While there’s still a chance of a popular resurgence they still missed their best opportunity and were crushed by the state.

        History has hundreds of suppressed revolts to every success.

        That’s not to say it’s hopeless: just that it isn’t inevitable. We’d like to believe that with enough tries you can succeed but that is a fallacy.