Zeno's Dichotomy Paradox - eviltoast
  • Gabu@lemmy.world
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    7 months ago

    Your proof assumes a non-quantum universe. As soon as time become quantized, you actually do have a minimum finite time step, at which point any observed object by necessity must be at rest. This (well, something to this effect) has been proved by experimental data, however it’s currently unclear if this quantization is related to our methods of observation or an actual characteristic of time.

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      Yes, but if the universe is quantum, then there also exists a minimum finite space step. So the fractions never get infinitely small. So you either stop moving in which case of course you never reach the destination; you stopped before you did. OR you take an extra step and surpass your distance by a negligible amount which means you did move all the way.

      So even in a quantized universe, the paradox is still false right?

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        Well, no — if anything you’ve proven it. The paradox was originally that all objects must be at rest regardless of observed movement, infinitesimality was just the quickest way for ancient Greeks to conceptualize it.
        Experimentally, we’ve observed† that it is possible to “freeze” time for a quantum particle if you measure it before the wave function has the time to fully transition from “origin” to “target” when no intermediary states exist between††, i.e. a quantum object “in movement” stays at rest until one “time-step” passes, at which point it imediately exists at the next point towards the target, where it remains at rest until the next time-step. If you measure the object “between” time-steps, its position will be at the origin point, but because we’ve now collapsed the wave function, that position is manifested as reality and no other possibilities exist. As a result, a new time-step must pass before it can move — yet, if we measure again, the same observation will be repeated, so the wave function never gets to the target, even though we have declared that the wave function (and therefore the particle) is moving from origin to target.

        That’s the kind of fuckery we signed up for when physicists discovered the wave-particle duality

        † (potentially, there are competing hypothesis)
        †† By necessity, a quantized number line follows this condition