fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves... - eviltoast

One of the most common mistakes is assuming that political opponents are ignorant. If only they had the right education; consumed the right media; or had the correct experience, they’d surely see things properly. The error is believing that we arrived at our values through reason. Values like hierarchy or equity are adopted by a complex process of disposition, emotion, and experience. Reason may be a component of this process, it may be a value unto itself, but it cannot support values.

Even simple moral claims like “it’s wrong to steal” cannot be supported by logic. Give it a try and you’ll come up with arguments like: “stealing is wrong because it harms the victim”. But you’ve not solved the problem, just pushed it back a step because now you have to defend the claim “it’s wrong to harm”. You cannot use observations about how the world is to calculate how it ought to be. Justifying moral claims with other moral claims dooms you to circular reasoning and infinite regression.

For those of you clever enough to argue deontology or utilitarianism, I’ll point out that these systems are ethical. Only concerned with how one should behave; helpless to prove something just or wicked. The moral principles of deontology and utilitarianism are assumed, not proven. Both systems will endorse ridiculous, intolerable, and outrageous actions in particular circumstances.

Objective morality probably doesn’t exist and has never been justified.

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    7 months ago

    Tons of text to come out as unempathetic and morally ambiguous.

    Imo its not wrong to steal. Its ok to harm living things if that means preventing greater harm to them or far greater harm to everyone else.

    Examples:

    • Killing hitler would have been ok in my book
    • Putting animals in tiny pens so we can eat cheap meat is wrong
    • Taking from those who are weaker than you is wrong
    • hierarchy between living things without dire need is wrong (if you were forced at gunpoint to decide for example)

    And so on. I dont think its that hard to have a moral code and stand by it.

    But I‘m also autistic and thats a defining trait for many of us so it might be just that.