It serves a purpose tho, in that as text can’t have a tone of voice or display body language, you do need to distinguish yourself from the people who actually say and believe the insane stuff.
Without it, there will be a fraction of people who misinterpret what you meant. It’s not about “fearing downvotes”.
While I definitely get that it’s becoming harder to distinguish sarcasm from the truly insane, I think he sufficiently crossed the chasm of doubt by implying Ghana should continue to be the dumping ground for the West and again when he equated the value of a Ghanaian child’s life to a phone.
People who actually believe that stuff try to hide it a little better. For now.
But the point of sarcasm is to be an undertone, using /s makes it a strong overtone to the point you may as well just say “I’m being sarcastic” after you finish.
It’s about as bad as explaining a joke, which is not a good thing.
Right, but isn’t that something we effectively do anyway, with tone of voice and body language?
And if someone doesn’t pick up on our sarcasm in person, do we just let them go on thinking we believe something we actually don’t?
No. We do go “I was being sarcastic” and then they burst out laughing and go “oh damn, you got me for a second there haha”.
We announce our sarcasm in a variety of ways regardless of the setting. The point of making it unmissable online, is that if you don’t, there will be fraction of people who walk away having misinterpreted what you were saying. In person we can make sure that doesn’t happen, online in a public forum, not so much.
And since when is explaining a joke to someone who doesn’t get it, a bad thing? Are you seriously arguing that ruining the joke (whether it is even ruined in the first place is debatable, imo) is too much to trade in for helping people understand?
I’ve met people who say things that should have a sarcastic inflection - without the inflection.
Yes, it’s very hard to understand if they’re joking and yes, we sometimes have to ask them if they’re kidding, but not all the time. Some things are so absurd, so outlandish, phrased in such a way that explicitly explaining it was a joke can ruin the joke. Yes, clear communication in some instances should take priority over the joke in cases where being misunderstood as serious would have consequences, social or otherwise.
But I really don’t think anyone here reasonably believed OP valued a phone with a ten year lifespan over the life of a child, nor that we should be using a foreign country as a waste dump until they’re ‘at capacity’. I think at some point you have to make the determination that something is so absurd that even if you can’t tell it’s sarcasm, you should be able to tell they’re not serious.
And this still doesn’t account for the nutcases that say this stuff, actually believing it, and then get showered with validation because the rest of us assume it is sarcasm.
Edit: whether someone is being “too unreasonable to be serious” is unfortunately no longer a reliable way to tell what someone is actually trying to say.
I’m saying satire that doesn’t in some way tell you it’s satire, can’t be distinguished from the genuinely delusional.
And thereby the way satire tells you it is satire, needs to change. No part of the art requires that there be no way to truly tell, I would argue the opposite.
It serves a purpose tho, in that as text can’t have a tone of voice or display body language, you do need to distinguish yourself from the people who actually say and believe the insane stuff.
Without it, there will be a fraction of people who misinterpret what you meant. It’s not about “fearing downvotes”.
While I definitely get that it’s becoming harder to distinguish sarcasm from the truly insane, I think he sufficiently crossed the chasm of doubt by implying Ghana should continue to be the dumping ground for the West and again when he equated the value of a Ghanaian child’s life to a phone.
People who actually believe that stuff try to hide it a little better. For now.
Agreed, but let’s not pretend r/fuckthes has a point in it being dumb and unnecessary.
Using it removes even the slightest room for misinterpretation. That is always a good thing.
But the point of sarcasm is to be an undertone, using /s makes it a strong overtone to the point you may as well just say “I’m being sarcastic” after you finish.
It’s about as bad as explaining a joke, which is not a good thing.
Right, but isn’t that something we effectively do anyway, with tone of voice and body language?
And if someone doesn’t pick up on our sarcasm in person, do we just let them go on thinking we believe something we actually don’t?
No. We do go “I was being sarcastic” and then they burst out laughing and go “oh damn, you got me for a second there haha”.
We announce our sarcasm in a variety of ways regardless of the setting. The point of making it unmissable online, is that if you don’t, there will be fraction of people who walk away having misinterpreted what you were saying. In person we can make sure that doesn’t happen, online in a public forum, not so much.
And since when is explaining a joke to someone who doesn’t get it, a bad thing? Are you seriously arguing that ruining the joke (whether it is even ruined in the first place is debatable, imo) is too much to trade in for helping people understand?
I’ve met people who say things that should have a sarcastic inflection - without the inflection.
Yes, it’s very hard to understand if they’re joking and yes, we sometimes have to ask them if they’re kidding, but not all the time. Some things are so absurd, so outlandish, phrased in such a way that explicitly explaining it was a joke can ruin the joke. Yes, clear communication in some instances should take priority over the joke in cases where being misunderstood as serious would have consequences, social or otherwise.
But I really don’t think anyone here reasonably believed OP valued a phone with a ten year lifespan over the life of a child, nor that we should be using a foreign country as a waste dump until they’re ‘at capacity’. I think at some point you have to make the determination that something is so absurd that even if you can’t tell it’s sarcasm, you should be able to tell they’re not serious.
And this still doesn’t account for the nutcases that say this stuff, actually believing it, and then get showered with validation because the rest of us assume it is sarcasm.
Edit: whether someone is being “too unreasonable to be serious” is unfortunately no longer a reliable way to tell what someone is actually trying to say.
Then according to you, satire is dead. Time to hold a vigil.
Hardly.
I’m saying satire that doesn’t in some way tell you it’s satire, can’t be distinguished from the genuinely delusional.
And thereby the way satire tells you it is satire, needs to change. No part of the art requires that there be no way to truly tell, I would argue the opposite.
Would sarcasm without inflection be the same as deadpan? So maybe without the /s it’s deadpan and with the /s it’s sarcasm? :P
This has been a fun conversation to read. Such nuance.
Agreed, but again, let’s not pretend r/fuckthes has a point in it being dumb and unnecessary.
Using it removes even the slightest room for misinterpretation. That is always a good thing.
A large majority of the internet is dumb and unnecessary.
Jokes often rely on you being able to figure them out without explicit explanation, giving room for misinterpretation.
Removing the potential for misinterpretation is not always a good thing.
Hard disagree.
Clarity has never ruined a joke.