People Hate the Idea of Car-Free Cities—Until They Live in One - eviltoast
  • Death to America@lemmy.ml
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    8 months ago

    Normal people outside of America in rural places live in communities that can arrange for firewood delivery. The only reason you need your own truck is because you don’t have any semblance of infrastructure, community or mutual aid. This is a policy choice and a failure of your culture.

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      8 months ago

      @PastaCeci @Elmerfuddz
      It’s even worse than THAT: those huge trucks you see nowadays are almost never used to haul anything, and the owners don’t even try to pretend anymore -they acknowledge that it’s just about giving off a manly image.

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      8 months ago

      I’ve lived in a rural area and my neighbors were always happy to lend me something if I needed it. If I needed a truck to haul wood I could just borrow one, or even get it delivered.

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      8 months ago

      Not the person you replied too, but US is so large, I can imagine there’s situations where policy can’t support those sorts of things. Not mention the fact that people who live in rural areas are more likely to have a culture of not wanting to interact with others and doing things on their own. Regardless, many of the policy changes to reduce car usage are really aimed at reducing car usage in dense areas rather than outright bans or the like. If these policies continue to work out in the US, the relatively few people living in rural areas with vehicles wouldn’t be problematic (in terms of causing traffic nor causing injuries/deaths)

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        8 months ago

        @Habahnow @PastaCeci “I want to do it my self” says man purchasing petrol from Iraq to fuel a car manufactured by thousands of people and assembled in a dozen countries.

        Anyone actually doing things by themselves isn’t concerned with car policy as they know they can’t produce a car.

        They already are happy to purchase things from a store that have been delivered to that store in a collective way, what is weird about getting wood delivered to their property?

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          8 months ago

          I feel this is such an dramatic and reaching response it’s almost like your intentionally being obtuse.

          Some people like reducing their reliance on other people. It seems I need to emphasize the word REDUCE. I chose that word specifically instead of remove because as you pointed out, removing reliance on others is very difficult. These people sre the type of people I am referring to when I say they like to do things on their own.

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        8 months ago

        The US is in no way exceptional or different than anywhere else.

        Only in America is “doing things on their own” involve running a global empire to ensure their supply of oil. Without the federal government subsidizing rural people in America it would be physically impossible for them to live there, this is literally the opposite of being independent they are extremely dependent on massive globalized infrastructure.

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          8 months ago

          Not everyone wants the US to run a global empire and coincidentally, the people were talking about are more likely to want the US interfering less with their lives and outside the country.