China plans to build a giant rail gun to launch hypersonic planes into space - eviltoast
  • goatsarah@thegoatery.dyndns.org
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    8 months ago

    @yogthos Not when you then have to expend shit tonnes of delta V turning the plane to face the right way because you can’t just take off from a normal runway and turn to face the right direction at a normal speed, like normal planes can.

    This is the aviation equivalent of a gadgetbahn. Someone saw Top Gun and got stupid ideas about scaling up steam catapults, didn’t they?

    Yeeting planes is not new. The reasons we don’t do it in civil aviation have not changed.

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        8 months ago

        @yogthos @goatsarah Thing is: This idea is not new. People have thought about it for a long time. And in the end they all came to the same conclusion: it isn’t worth it.

        • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.mlOP
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          8 months ago

          Thing is that the west stopped making any ambitious engineering projects. The idea isn’t new, but the will to put these kinds of things in practice doesn’t exist outside of China.

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            8 months ago

            @yogthos Physics is the same all over the world. Your goal is to reach orbital velocity, otherwise you don’t stay in the orbit. You cannot achieve this on the ground level, since the air resistance would melt your device. Also the drag would slow the system down massively. This means that you would had to carry fuel with you, to be able to accelerate, once you reached the upper atmospheres.

            Also the article claims that people should be carried with that device as well. This limits the acceleration to around 4g.

            I recommend to watch the following video, where someone calculated all the values: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQCTTvkh7gw

            • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.mlOP
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              8 months ago

              Physics states that this type of travel is perfectly possible. The question is whether people want to invest into making this sort of tech or not. I’m familiar with the arguments for and against this tech already. What I’m trying to explain to you is that serious people are working on this project, and it’s absurd to assume that they don’t understand basic things you learned from a short youtube video.

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                8 months ago

                @yogthos I don’t need that video for that. I’m interested in that topic for many years, means that I know enough physics to understand the problems behind that. I’m able to use the appropriate formulas for stuff like acceleration. Also I know how to perform proper research. And with this I don’t mean “Youtube”.

                • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.mlOP
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                  8 months ago

                  Again, are you suggesting that people working on this stuff lack the understanding that you have, and aren’t able to understand these problems?

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          8 months ago

          It smells like tech bro nonsense, doesn’t it?

          Save fuel is it? Ok, put it on a train. Water in the way? Put it on a boat. They’re super efficient.

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            8 months ago

            @goatsarah BTW: This sounds like a super sized “Spinlaunch” in my ears - which also has got a lot of technical difficulties.

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              8 months ago

              @heluecht Yeah, without the whole centrifuge thing.

              I think, reading between the lines, someone is daydreaming about some pointless nonsense and a journalist added 2 and 2 and came up with 10000