Rational Self Interest - eviltoast
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        8 months ago

        Absolutely. Americans can, to a limited degree, hide behind the excuse that they are the most propaganda-drenched people on the planet.

        Can you?

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          8 months ago

          It’s a ~famous quote. Do you think a quote reflects my personal views on something? Should I perhaps go about and edit quotes to my liking?

          Secondly, “take root” is ofc metaphorical, and we could argue the semantics of what constitutes “taking root”. It’s clear that at the very least if it took root, it lost to some degree to another thing that took root (like a corporate kleptocracy) and while no-country is perfect clearly the countries with much better social programs has had this metaphorical plant of socialism bloom a bit more.

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            8 months ago

            Should I perhaps go about and edit quotes to my liking?

            No. Just pick ones that actually stand up to scrutiny. I guess you don’t know where the term “redneck” (as it’s used in the US, of course) actually comes from, do you?

            It’s clear that at the very least if it took root, it lost to some degree

            Absolutely not. It was actively destroyed. Do you really think they invented internal political police organisations like the FBI to “fight crime”?

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              8 months ago

              Absolutely not. It was actively destroyed. Do you really think they invented internal political police organisations like the FBI to “fight crime”?

              You seem to be having issues with metaphors.

              Who honestly gets that pissed off at a quote? I guess a temporarily embarrassed millionaire.

              When someone says “let them eat cake” do you actually jump in with "actually there’s a lot of diabetics in the US population and type II diabetes is a known national issue, so actually they shouldn’t be eating cake, they should eat at moist wholegrain if they eat any bread, you see wholegrain actually keeps your blood glucose steadier for longer. And she never even said it, that’s a mistranslation! "

              Or would you perhaps understand there’s a specific thing that’s relayed though that meme?

              " dO YoU rEAlLy tHiNk fBi fights crime? wHaT aN iDIoT1!! tHeYrE a GoVeRNmeNt cOnSPiRaCY aGaInST sOciAlIsm, noT aCTuAL lAw eNfORcEmEnT"

              Go home to grow a mustache, boy-o.

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                8 months ago

                You seem to be having issues with metaphors.

                Appealing to my (alleged) lack of understanding of metaphors does not change the fact that you - unironically - attempted to explain history using a quote that can be easily disproven.

                Or would you perhaps understand there’s a specific thing that’s relayed though that meme?

                So are you or are you not cogniscent of the fact that your silly quote misrepresents history?

                noT aCTuAL lAw eNfORcEmEnT

                You were saying?

                Go home to grow a mustache

                Mustaches are easy - backbone isn’t. I hope it won’t prove impossible for you.

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                  8 months ago

                  “Attempted to explain history”

                  So you think QUOTES are my personal theories?

                  It doesn’t even misrepresent history. Socialism having been purposefully suppressed by some isn’t mutually exclusive with the sentiment of the quote.

                  The existence of the red scares doesn’t mean that the people that were influenced by them actually weren’t. Which is essentially your argument.

                  Since you want to be that anal and asinine about this, tell me, what qualifies as “taking root” in a society? Oh and I demand clear metrics based on the SI-system. How deep are the roots? How thick? What’s the strain?

                  Perhaps it’s hard for you to understand, but socialism is a political ideology and an economic system. Not a vascular plant.

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                    8 months ago

                    So you think QUOTES are my personal theories?

                    This you?

                    Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires.

                    Looks pretty self-explanatory to me.

                    Not a vascular plant.

                    Again… this you?

                    Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires.

                    It’s rare to see someone duck and dive as much as you are doing… but it takes all kinds, I guess.