quick, let’s notify the future shooter how government may track him so that he’ll take the exact necessary steps to not be caught before committing a shooting. and the foreign spy. and the person who plans to sell/traffic illegal items. they deserve a right to know exactly how the government tracks them, after all
how do you catch criminals if they know exactly how the government would catch them? saying the government has nothing to hide if it has nothing to fear is very wrong
And the people who are the majority and didn’t do a single thing wrong. Let’s implement vulnerabilities in software and pray to god that they don’t get hacked. Let’s make privacy illegal!
so your solution is for the government to notify people of those vulnerabilities so others can immediately take abuse of them? because people know that the government makes backdoors on a lot of tech, it’s no secret to people, your “solution” wouldn’t exactly achieve anything. the current government doesn’t care about collateral so it’s not like they’d just stop doing it.
of course, but that’s not an issue with “the government needs to not be able to hide anything”. you can’t just nitpick some examples of where it may do good to justify the position – you open an entire can of worms with the vagueness. should they have to disclose a list of all the people theyre keeping tabs on, how theyre doing so, and the info they hold on them? that would be extremely dangerous for society. should they disclose the exact methods which they use to track people? again, you’re just showing the people they’re tracking (for good reason) how to avoid being tracked. if you just want no backdoors then say “we shouldn’t have government backdoors”, but the only way to properly ensure that the government isn’t illegally doing so is by exposing a whole lot more stuff that may not go so nicely.
i don’t want the government surveilling me illegally, but i find it reasonable that the government can hide a lot of stuff for the sake of all safety. i also find it reasonable for them to be audited extensively. do I trust the government? lol no, but i can’t complain about the government not previously keeping tabs on obvious shooters, then say i don’t want the government keeping secrets like that… it’s one or the other.
obviously many specific things shouldn’t be able to be hidden by the government. but you’re painting with a broad brush
Okay, fair point. But they shouldn’t hide how they track people.
Okay, fair point, but now you’re changing what they said.
So we both agree on what they should and shouldn’t hide?
quick, let’s notify the future shooter how government may track him so that he’ll take the exact necessary steps to not be caught before committing a shooting. and the foreign spy. and the person who plans to sell/traffic illegal items. they deserve a right to know exactly how the government tracks them, after all
how do you catch criminals if they know exactly how the government would catch them? saying the government has nothing to hide if it has nothing to fear is very wrong
And the people who are the majority and didn’t do a single thing wrong. Let’s implement vulnerabilities in software and pray to god that they don’t get hacked. Let’s make privacy illegal!
so your solution is for the government to notify people of those vulnerabilities so others can immediately take abuse of them? because people know that the government makes backdoors on a lot of tech, it’s no secret to people, your “solution” wouldn’t exactly achieve anything. the current government doesn’t care about collateral so it’s not like they’d just stop doing it.
That’s the problem. Governments just shouldn’t implement backdoors. That way there is more good done than harm, not the other way around.
of course, but that’s not an issue with “the government needs to not be able to hide anything”. you can’t just nitpick some examples of where it may do good to justify the position – you open an entire can of worms with the vagueness. should they have to disclose a list of all the people theyre keeping tabs on, how theyre doing so, and the info they hold on them? that would be extremely dangerous for society. should they disclose the exact methods which they use to track people? again, you’re just showing the people they’re tracking (for good reason) how to avoid being tracked. if you just want no backdoors then say “we shouldn’t have government backdoors”, but the only way to properly ensure that the government isn’t illegally doing so is by exposing a whole lot more stuff that may not go so nicely.
i don’t want the government surveilling me illegally, but i find it reasonable that the government can hide a lot of stuff for the sake of all safety. i also find it reasonable for them to be audited extensively. do I trust the government? lol no, but i can’t complain about the government not previously keeping tabs on obvious shooters, then say i don’t want the government keeping secrets like that… it’s one or the other.
obviously many specific things shouldn’t be able to be hidden by the government. but you’re painting with a broad brush