US airman dies after setting himself on fire outside Israeli embassy - eviltoast
    • queermunist she/her@lemmy.ml
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      10 个月前

      I wish he had another choice. We failed him by not being organized enough to welcome him as a comrade. Instead he chose to do the only thing he could. I admire his courage, but it’s a damn shame we lost someone willing to die for Palestinians.

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        We’ve failed him, we’ve failed the Palestinians, we’ve failed our immigrants and refugees, we’ve failed our LGBTQ+ people and people of color, we’ve failed our poor. The story of America is a story of one failure after another.

        And I say “America” even though this is world news, because he was American.

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          Sometimes I have this thought that feels like a realization that it was never even about “the people” or “freedom” to begin with.

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            It was about creating an in-group and implementing a caste system under the deceptive guise of democracy. What it’s never actually been is democratic or free.

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          I wasn’t aware of that, but I say that’s an indictment of their organization; a small org that doesn’t ever get beyond charity work and the occasional street protest could not save him from despair. A few thousand likes on Facebook? Is that the height of the organization he could join in his area? I’m sure they’re trying their best, but we have to get organized on a much larger scale to be able to do anything that matters.

          Beyond being an indictment of their org, that’s an indictment of us all. We are not organized enough. Not even close.

      • hasnt_seen_goonies@lemmy.world
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        Maybe people are understandably uncomfortable with self immolation? Nobody has ever liked an effective activist in their time. The civil rights protesters in USA had a <25% approval rate in the 60s.

        I think this person did what he thought was right, and I will remember him for that. And peace can’t come soon enough.

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          We should ask the question: is it really effective? Is anybody even talking about the guy who self-immolated in Colorado for the cause of climate change? Hell, even this event is being suppressed and swept under the rug. And those media orgs who do cover it are choosing to take up a “mental illness” angle to dismiss it.

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          It takes courage and convictions to do this kind of protest. There’s no need to reduce it to just a suicide. It was a courageous and highly honorable act. I’ve got nothing but respect.

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              Bullshit. You are insulting everyone who’s had a legitimate reason to commit suicide and their loved ones by proxy. Get this puritanical nonsense out of here. I’ve known multiple people who’ve committed suicide, and while it hurts to lose them, they’ve all had valid reasons, and it’s really tasteless for me to dismiss that or guilt trip people who want to check out.

              And in this case, it’s objectively one of the most selfless acts imaginable.

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              That my friends, is a cowardly and selfish act.

              Forcing people to stay alive against their will while they suffer in one way or another because you can’t deal with missing them is cowardly and selfish.

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              I think we can have compassion for people who commit suicide because of suffering and are young, but not think it’s a good or ideal thing. I think the protest here or euthanasia because you’re old/sick is a different thing.

              For everyone (for me) condoning suicide too much – I always think about it like this:

              We were dead for billions of years and we will be dead for billions of years. This little sub 100 year run we all have is just a flash in the pan and even if you’re not having a good time at all and think you can’t ever have a good time, surely just sticking it out for the novelty if nothing else is better in most cases of suffering than checking out too early. We’ll all be back there soon enough.

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                Compassion, of course. Put it this way, the National Review (a conservative piece of toilet paper someone forgot to flush) put out a hit piece about this saying all sorts of bullshit. I mean so you disagree with his politics, he broke a military rule, so fucking what? He’s dead, mourn him don’t trash talk him, and show everyone you’re a subhuman piece of scum (his name is Luther Ray Abel from Sheboygan Wisconsin, do your worst to him please). I still think suicide is a selfish and cowardly act and only hurts those who love you.

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                  I still think suicide is a selfish and cowardly act and only hurts those who love you.

                  Nobody asks to be born. You should be able to leave when you want.

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        Telling people that someone who burn himself is a role model is poor taste even if you respect the cause.

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            I think the “pearls being clutched” are that you have a great general point but are suggesting something strange. A role model is someone you want people to imitate. We want people to get his message, not to just do the same thing.

            Sacrifices like this should always be super rare. If he’s inspiring others to action, then it should be mass protests (at least), not more immolations.

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              A role model is someone you want people to imitate

              Yes

              Sacrifices like this should always be super rare. If he’s inspiring others to action, then it should be mass protests (at least), not more immolations.

              Imagine gatekeeping protests.

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                  I’d never presume to be so haughty as to prescribe to another person a form of protest, nor to disparage a meaningful and impactful act like this.

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                    But you are saying he’s a role model, which means you think more people ought to imitate him.

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          I don’t get this, I’m sure right-wingers would wish you had the courage, too. Why would you idolize this instead of looking at it like a tragedy?

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              Lol sure. I don’t think it makes sense to have the same goals as a Zionist, personally. You and a Zionist both wish you were “courageous” enough to kill yourself, I don’t see how that could possibly improve things.