A massacre of protesters during the 2014 Maidan coup set the stage for the ouster of Ukraine’s elected president, Viktor Yanukovych. Now, an explosive trial in Kiev has produced evidence the killings were a false flag designed to trigger regime change. Two police officers charged with the mass shooting of opposition protesters in Kiev’s Maidan Square in 2014 have been released after a Ukrainian court determined the fatal shots in the infamous massacre were fired from an opposition-controlled building. On […]
‘questionable news sites like RT’
C’mon man. The hells this bullshit. Yall so propagandized that anything to the left of let’s nuke Iran is ‘far-left’
Seriously tho get non US media. The corporate media in the US will say anything is 'not credible ’ if it contradicts the powers that be. Babies from incubators in Iraq? Remember that? From the 'totally credible ’ US media establishment
There is no such thing as neutral. That site is a good example of it: they’re personally highly biased towards “centrist” liberal positions to the point that they conflate it with writing “just the facts”. They have no consistent methodology, they’re just showing you their own inability to detect bullshit when it’s something they agree with.
For example, as it has often done in its history, The New York Times has been carrying water for fascistic settler colonial narratives, including hiring an obvious racist to write implausible articles about alleged sexual assaults by Hamas on October 7. Articles contested by the people interviewed, the families and friends of those who died. They censored their own attempts to admit fault and their workers creating media about the errors. Only in the last week have they fired the author in question, which will surely be used to imply that this is the only thing wrong with their consistently biased coverage that focuses almost exclusively on interviewing state department officials, Zionist NGOs, and Israeli government officials.
Did you find any of that on “media bias fact check”? Did it rank the NYT lower than The Gray Zone on its ability to report factually? For having a Zionist bias? Even this one example I’ve provided is far more damning than anything you’ve listed.
You can’t outsource media criticism, you have to do it yourself and engage with it.
Dave Van Zandt is a registered Non-Affiliated voter who values evidence-based reporting. Since High School (a long time ago), Dave has been interested in politics and noticed as a kid the same newspaper report in two different papers was very different in their tone. This curiosity led him to pursue a Communications Degree in college; however, like most 20-year olds he didn’t know what he wanted and changed to a Physiology major midstream. Dave has worked in the healthcare industry (Occupational Rehabilitation) since graduating from college but never lost the desire to learn more about bias and its impacts.
The combination of being fascinated by politics, a keen eye to spot bias before he even knew what it was called, and an education/career in science gave Dave the tools required for understanding Media Bias and its implications. This led to a 20-year journey where Dave would read anything and everything he could find on media bias and linguistics. He also employed the scientific method to develop a methodology to support his assessments.
If you’re going to discredit a source, please try to do the legwork of actually discrediting it. A guy with a Bachelors in Physiology and being “fascinated with politics since high school (a long time ago)” cannot be considered a reliable source, nevermind one who claims to follow the “scientific method” which he, presumably, learned while studying to become an occupational therapist or through his 20-year journey of reading political news.
If you have photos of this man, any record of interviews with him, records that support his credibility/the incorporation of his company, records of his job in occupational rehabilitation, details about his team, or anything else, please feel free to share them. Please do not confuse him with Dave E. Van Zandt (Princeton BA Sociology, Yale JD, London School of Economics PhD, ex-managing editor of the Yale Law Journal, ex-Dean of Northeastern’s School of Law, ex-President of The New School).
There’s no reason a random dude with a bachelor’s in physiology can’t be good at media criticism. It’s not like the big nerds that go into journalism or join think tanks are beacons of truth. Media criticism is about flexing your skeptical and investigative muscles and being highly informed about the topics in question so that you can do the hardest thing in it: identify what was left out, what was neglected, and what articles were not written instead of what is before you.
That said, this particular random dude physiology major is not good at media criticism.
Thing is, even if he is good at media criticism, there’s no stakes for him. Nobody knows who he is, what he looks like, he has nothing on the line, and his credibility in his primary occupation cannot be harmed if he is wrong.
Nevermind that he lacks the credentials nor any legitimate scientific expertise, and yet claims that his Bachelor’s in Physiology was sufficiently advanced to teach him everything he needs to know about the scientific process.
That would be literally devastating if I had cited Wikipedia itself instead of using it as a way to point you to a long list of citations from far more authoritative sources without wasting my time typing them all out again.
You didn’t read a single reference on their Wikipedia page, just the fact that they’re there is enough for you. Regardless, I fail to see any evidence of “misleading coverage,” and “sympathetic coverage” is a non-issue except for the fact that these are “authoritarian regimes.” What this means is unknown, since the main examples cited (Syria, China, and Venezuela) each have a much lower amt. of prisoners per-capita and in totality (significant because of China’s population) than the U.S., and China has a significantly lower amt. of police per-capita.
Buddy you just cited Wikipedia. If you wanted me to believe you’d read the “long list of more authoritative sources” that the article contains, then you would have cited the articles instead of Wikipedia. This is the bare minimum you dumbass, you’re below high school level right now.
Actually, it still wouldn’t have been devastating because it continues to ignore the credibility of The Grayzone as the subject matter of the comment thread. It’s just doubling down on the original tangent.
I’m completely appreciate that it’s the reason I put it in italics, I was trying to convey sarcasm but acknowledge that I may have been far too subtle.
I find it incredibly fascinating that in the over nine hours, since this has been posted, nobody has taken up the opportunity to post another source that backs up this reporting they just continue to attack the critique
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Our government and our corporate media fed us a load of bullshit about it being an organic “color revolution” for “freedom and democracy.” It’s what they always do. The blueprint of regime change operations
Buddy nobody is impressed with your media criticism process of regurgitating Media Bias Fact Check and Wikipedia. It’s actually an announcement that you have no familiarity with any of this and don’t know how to critically consume media yourself. Ironically you’re going to mislead yourself by simply uncritically accepting what is written in those two websites.
Rather than searching around for someone else to tell you what to think about The Gray Zone, why not critically engage with the content? What do they cite? What topic are they discussing? Do you know anything about it? To what are they responding? Are their criticisms valid?
I hope you’re aware that “objective”, “unbiased”, “neutral” journalism is a myth and a complete impossibility. Any reporting on reality requires that the reporter takes a stance on how to report that reality. While some news sources are completely untrustworthy (Radio Free Asia for example) you should not believe ANY news source is ever unbiased. You should remain sceptical no matter what you read, and instead of blindly consuming the “good” news media, you should instead attempt to independently verify the claims made.
Remaining sceptical means looking into things yourself instead of going to mediabiasfactcheck.com lol.
This article is completely fine, it’s not writing falsehoods or making up shit, nor is it in any way any more opinionated than your average mainstream drivel - it’s just negatively opinioned on groups that larger news media is supportive of.
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Anyone that tells you they’re “neutral” or “unbiased” is a fucking liar.
Everyone has a bias, and if you believe otherwise you’re either gullible or a propagandist.
Well it’s certainly a more neutral site than mediabiasfactcheck.
As I’ve said before, Media Bias/Fact Check is a joke:
‘questionable news sites like RT’ C’mon man. The hells this bullshit. Yall so propagandized that anything to the left of let’s nuke Iran is ‘far-left’
Seriously tho get non US media. The corporate media in the US will say anything is 'not credible ’ if it contradicts the powers that be. Babies from incubators in Iraq? Remember that? From the 'totally credible ’ US media establishment
Look at this person who thinks that media fact check is somehow unbiased themselves. Here I think we have a picture of them in our emoji store:
Tell us about their “anti-corporate bias” next. I was just making fun of the same page you cite when I was discussing this site other day.
There is no such thing as neutral. That site is a good example of it: they’re personally highly biased towards “centrist” liberal positions to the point that they conflate it with writing “just the facts”. They have no consistent methodology, they’re just showing you their own inability to detect bullshit when it’s something they agree with.
For example, as it has often done in its history, The New York Times has been carrying water for fascistic settler colonial narratives, including hiring an obvious racist to write implausible articles about alleged sexual assaults by Hamas on October 7. Articles contested by the people interviewed, the families and friends of those who died. They censored their own attempts to admit fault and their workers creating media about the errors. Only in the last week have they fired the author in question, which will surely be used to imply that this is the only thing wrong with their consistently biased coverage that focuses almost exclusively on interviewing state department officials, Zionist NGOs, and Israeli government officials.
Did you find any of that on “media bias fact check”? Did it rank the NYT lower than The Gray Zone on its ability to report factually? For having a Zionist bias? Even this one example I’ve provided is far more damning than anything you’ve listed.
You can’t outsource media criticism, you have to do it yourself and engage with it.
If you’re going to discredit a source, please try to do the legwork of actually discrediting it. A guy with a Bachelors in Physiology and being “fascinated with politics since high school (a long time ago)” cannot be considered a reliable source, nevermind one who claims to follow the “scientific method” which he, presumably, learned while studying to become an occupational therapist or through his 20-year journey of reading political news.
If you have photos of this man, any record of interviews with him, records that support his credibility/the incorporation of his company, records of his job in occupational rehabilitation, details about his team, or anything else, please feel free to share them. Please do not confuse him with Dave E. Van Zandt (Princeton BA Sociology, Yale JD, London School of Economics PhD, ex-managing editor of the Yale Law Journal, ex-Dean of Northeastern’s School of Law, ex-President of The New School).
There’s no reason a random dude with a bachelor’s in physiology can’t be good at media criticism. It’s not like the big nerds that go into journalism or join think tanks are beacons of truth. Media criticism is about flexing your skeptical and investigative muscles and being highly informed about the topics in question so that you can do the hardest thing in it: identify what was left out, what was neglected, and what articles were not written instead of what is before you.
That said, this particular random dude physiology major is not good at media criticism.
Thing is, even if he is good at media criticism, there’s no stakes for him. Nobody knows who he is, what he looks like, he has nothing on the line, and his credibility in his primary occupation cannot be harmed if he is wrong.
Nevermind that he lacks the credentials nor any legitimate scientific expertise, and yet claims that his Bachelor’s in Physiology was sufficiently advanced to teach him everything he needs to know about the scientific process.
A site or source has to earn the credit before it can be discredited.
You can attack the one making the critique all you want and it doesn’t establish actual credibility for the original source. The grayzone’s weaknesses in misleading coverage and sympathetic coverage of authoritarian regimes is well noted in academic journals and other sources cited the references on their Wikipedia page.
*NATOpedia
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Wikipedia’s conceptualization of what counts as an authoritarian regime is itself imperial core propaganda.
That would be literally devastating if I had cited Wikipedia itself instead of using it as a way to point you to a long list of citations from far more authoritative sources without wasting my time typing them all out again.
Good effort though.
I’ve been watching the Five Eyes governments and Anglosphere corporate media try to squelch The Grayzone for years.
It would be devastating if you were to read Inventing Reality or Manufacturing Consent.
You know who else was on RT? Chris Hedges. Why was he there? Because he was right about Iraq’s supposed WMDs, so corporate media permanently shunned him. Meanwhile people who got it wrong, like Anderson Cooper, are still prominent corporate media figures, because they’ve proven to be reliable lap dogs. I mean, Cooper interned at the CIA.
Corporate media obviously aren’t going to want to correct their coverage of Victoria Nuland & co’s Maidan coup.
You didn’t read a single reference on their Wikipedia page, just the fact that they’re there is enough for you. Regardless, I fail to see any evidence of “misleading coverage,” and “sympathetic coverage” is a non-issue except for the fact that these are “authoritarian regimes.” What this means is unknown, since the main examples cited (Syria, China, and Venezuela) each have a much lower amt. of prisoners per-capita and in totality (significant because of China’s population) than the U.S., and China has a significantly lower amt. of police per-capita.
Wikipedia’s sources are in no way curated to fit a specific narrative.
Buddy you just cited Wikipedia. If you wanted me to believe you’d read the “long list of more authoritative sources” that the article contains, then you would have cited the articles instead of Wikipedia. This is the bare minimum you dumbass, you’re below high school level right now.
You did cite Wikipedia itself.
Did… did you forget? Already?
Citing Wikipedia is lazy and reflects a lack of effort. Do better.
Actually, it still wouldn’t have been devastating because it continues to ignore the credibility of The Grayzone as the subject matter of the comment thread. It’s just doubling down on the original tangent.
I’m completely appreciate that it’s the reason I put it in italics, I was trying to convey sarcasm but acknowledge that I may have been far too subtle.
I find it incredibly fascinating that in the over nine hours, since this has been posted, nobody has taken up the opportunity to post another source that backs up this reporting they just continue to attack the critique
It’s not like this was a secret trial. Reuters, Oct. ’23: Ukrainian court sentences ex-police officers over 2014 Maidan shootings
We’ve known this was a US-backed coup for nearly a decade. The story has been beaten to death.
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Our government and our corporate media fed us a load of bullshit about it being an organic “color revolution” for “freedom and democracy.” It’s what they always do. The blueprint of regime change operations
Hey, thanks. That’s the quality of other sources I asked for so many hours ago. Weird that took so long.
Sheesh. The only credible outlet was Reuters, and it was a nothingburger.
Buddy nobody is impressed with your media criticism process of regurgitating Media Bias Fact Check and Wikipedia. It’s actually an announcement that you have no familiarity with any of this and don’t know how to critically consume media yourself. Ironically you’re going to mislead yourself by simply uncritically accepting what is written in those two websites.
Rather than searching around for someone else to tell you what to think about The Gray Zone, why not critically engage with the content? What do they cite? What topic are they discussing? Do you know anything about it? To what are they responding? Are their criticisms valid?
Lol, wikipedia.
Citing Wikipedia? Lmao
I hope you’re aware that “objective”, “unbiased”, “neutral” journalism is a myth and a complete impossibility. Any reporting on reality requires that the reporter takes a stance on how to report that reality. While some news sources are completely untrustworthy (Radio Free Asia for example) you should not believe ANY news source is ever unbiased. You should remain sceptical no matter what you read, and instead of blindly consuming the “good” news media, you should instead attempt to independently verify the claims made.
Remaining sceptical means looking into things yourself instead of going to mediabiasfactcheck.com lol.
This article is completely fine, it’s not writing falsehoods or making up shit, nor is it in any way any more opinionated than your average mainstream drivel - it’s just negatively opinioned on groups that larger news media is supportive of.
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