Dont you think it is horrible how people put their political ideologies / viewpoints over human lives - eviltoast

Something that i find prettyd disgusting these days is how certain people put their political ideologies / viewpoints over human lives, for example, celebrating the russian invasion of ukraine because it is “a blow against US / NATO imperialism” completely ignoring all the warcrimes, the deaths, and the suffering generated by that war, the same happening with the palestinian genocide because “Israel is the only working democracy on the middle east”, acting like their ideoligies are going to bring back to life all the dead people somehow

  • gapbetweenus@feddit.de
    21·
    10 months ago

    But there is no atheists dogma or teaching that can be a base for discrimination of trans people. Obviously individual atheist can be transphobic unrelated to their believe that there is no god. On the other hand christian transphobes will often root their transphophia in their christian believe.

    Killing people and saying someone’s belief in their own gender is or isn’t valid are different things, though.

    Invalidating trans folks existence is often predecessor of violence against trans people.

    • Flax@feddit.ukEnglish
      11·
      10 months ago

      Christianity doesn’t have dogma on the trans issue. Dawkins would argue that biologival sex is a scientific fact. The Bible just says that God created people as man and woman. What does me being a Christian have to do with Christian transphobes, and why would you bring up my religion when I literally just expressed disgust at the murder of a transgender person?

      • gapbetweenus@feddit.de
        1·
        10 months ago

        Christianity doesn’t have dogma on the trans issue.

        The Bible just says that God created people as man and woman.

        Dude?

        Dawkins would argue that biologival sex is a scientific fact.

        So? He rationalizes his transphobia with his poor understanding of human biology, psychology and sociology, which are all not his fields of expertise by the way, and more importantly unrelated to atheism. If he was Karamazov, than maybe you would have a point.

        What does me being a Christian have to do with Christian transphobes, and why would you bring up my religion when I literally just expressed disgust at the murder of a transgender person?

        At best you participate in a believe system that promotes violence against trans people by invalidating their existence. So your disgust seems rather disingenuous, or you haven’t really reflected on this whole topic at all.

        • Flax@feddit.ukEnglish
          11·
          10 months ago

          At best you participate in a believe system that promotes violence against trans people by invalidating their existence.

          What.

          • gapbetweenus@feddit.de
            11·
            10 months ago

            You have troubles reading?

            Christian dogma of two genders invalidated the existence of trans folks, which in turn promotes violence against trans people. Since you haven’t explicitly stated your own believes but you self identify as christian, it’s reasonable to assume that you adhere to basic Christian dogma. This assumption is supported by your stance on abortion, which means you are more of a fundamentalist christian.

            • Flax@feddit.ukEnglish
              11·
              10 months ago

              1. Not once did I mention Christianity as being my basis for my stance on Abortion.

              2. So what would make you happy then? If I stopped being Christian? Because it sounds like you want me to choose between being Christian and being pro violence against trans people, even though it’s a bit of a stretch to say that the Bible saying God created people male and female is promoting violence against trans people.

              • gapbetweenus@feddit.de
                1·
                10 months ago

                Not once did I mention Christianity as being my basis for my stance on Abortion.

                Sure, you just can’t come up with any other reasoning (we have a rather long conversation, so you had plenty of opportunities). But please enlighten me on how your stance on abortion, is not result of you moral views that stem from your believe in Christianity.

                So what would make you happy then? If I stopped being Christian? Because it sounds like you want me to choose between being Christian and being pro violence against trans people, even though it’s a bit of a stretch to say that the Bible saying God created people male and female is promoting violence against trans people.

                Not needing to have a conversation on abortion and human rights for trans people, would make me happier. But that is besides the point. I just pointed out, that it’s somehow bizarre for me, that people who invalidate trans people whole existence are surprised by the violence trans people experience and are not able to see a connection.

                • Flax@feddit.ukEnglish
                  11·
                  10 months ago

                  you just can’t come up with any other reasoning

                  Because foetuses look like children and can feel pain, have a heartbeat, etc. If anything I’d be more pro life if I was atheist as at least I know that they go to heaven. But this isn’t our abortion discussion.

                  I never invalidated transgender people’s whole existence. But if you want me to not be vocal against killing people (as it seems you don’t want me to by my first argument) then fine. I guess my Christian belief of “you shall not kill” is too radical and should be kept to myself.

                  • gapbetweenus@feddit.de
                    1·
                    10 months ago

                    Because foetuses look like children and can feel pain, have a heartbeat

                    But that is not your reasoning. Your state that after implantation abortion is murder. A blastocyst does not look like a child, does not feel pain and does not have a heart to begin with. So who are you kidding and why are you not trusting in your own faith?

                    I never invalidated transgender people’s whole existence.

                    Sure, I just assumed you follow the most common christian doctrine as defined by the bible and major Christians sects. Feel free to correct me at any time.

                    I never invalidated transgender people’s whole existence. But if you want me to not be vocal against killing people (as it seems you don’t want me to by my first argument) then fine. I guess my Christian belief of “you shall not kill” is too radical and should be kept to myself.

                    Christians love being victims. What about the other cheek my friend? Jesus was a cool dude, what the fuck happened to his followers? I personally blame Peter.