Start telling people now, over on reddit. BEFORE they start cracking down. That way, everyone will know, and the growth will happen even more rapidly.
Start telling people now, over on reddit. BEFORE they start cracking down. That way, everyone will know, and the growth will happen even more rapidly.
More users = more lifetime, for the platform. At the current level, I estimate that this platform will last about two years. Maybe three. Less, if some kind of significant problem occurs.
You’re right that the instant part could be dangerous. That could be the significant problem I just mentioned. But otherwise, Lemmy needs more users, desperately. All internet things have to grow or die. You can wish that wasn’t a fact, but it will remain a fact.
Based on what? I too can pull a number out of my arse and estimate the platform will last exactly 18,345 years from today, that doesn’t actually mean anything.
To me it looks like they think of the Internet like corporations do and needing growth to justify investment. I think that’s fair reasoning for sites that are profit driven but Lemmy isn’t.
Lemmy was already 3 years old when the API fiasco started. It didn’t need the users merely to survive.
But in the context of the meme, more users means more content which Is a good thing.
That’s all I meant.
No it depends entirely on your audience if your doing a yt kids channel sure because they grow up but if your targeting loyal users u don’t really need to
There IS still a minimum number of them that you need, in order to truly make the community secure against rotting away, naturally.
As I explained to someone else, if you come in here one day, and you realize that it’s been three weeks since you’ve seen a new post, you WILL eventually stop coming back to check. And then the few people who remain will also stop interacting with the platform. And it will die.
I don’t know the exact number of people that the particular community (or the Fediverse, in general) needs to be permanently viable, but it’s somewhere between 20 and 100 times more people than we currently have. Maybe more.
That’s not up for debate. It’s simply a cold, hard fact. You don’t have to like it, but it’s not optional.
I mean look back 8 months at the number of comments and post upvotes, Lemmy has been worthwhile at a larger userbase than now and as long as the influx isn’t too much (Eternal September style) the community can continue to grow. People who dont fit in will go back to reddit or find their own place somewhere in the fediverse where the old heads won’t have to put up with them. I dont understand the insularism, although I only got here about 2 months ago so maybe I need to lurk more and read the room.
“Grow or die”. What a bunch of corporate bs. And throwing out made up “lifetimes” doesn’t lend you the legitimacy you think it does.
Lemmy doesn’t “desperately need” more users. What it needs is less of this nonsense.
I’m sorry, but I’m simply correct about this. If you come in here in about a year’s time, and there haven’t been any new posts in three weeks, you WILL leave the platform, too.
You won’t intend to. You won’t do it out of spite. You’ll just keep checking for new posts, less and less frequently, until you eventually give up.
Growth is THE ONLY WAY to prevent that situation. Does that mean Lemmy has to “go corporate” and start monetizing everything? No. Does that mean Lemmy has to become as huge as Reddit? No. I don’t want that. I don’t want this place to become so big that it inevitably repeats all the mistakes that Reddit made, over the years.
But the Lemmy/Fediverse platform absolutely does have to grow larger than this, in order to become a permanent, secure thing.
Feel free to explain why that “will” happen without infinite growth.
I just did. Allow me to repeat it:
If you come in here in about a year’s time, and there haven’t been any new posts in three weeks, you WILL leave the platform, too.
You won’t intend to. You won’t do it out of spite. You’ll just keep checking for new posts, less and less frequently, until you eventually give up.
Growth is THE ONLY WAY to prevent that situation.
THESE ARE FACTS. THEY ARE NOT OPTIONAL.
EDIT: Also, I specifically said that the growth didn’t need to be infinite. But yeah, you go ahead and claim that I said that. Go ahead and just blatantly lie about what I said. Great intellectual honesty, right there.
So your explanation on why it will happen is that it will happen? You understand how nonsensical that is, right? YELLING that it’s a “fact” doesn’t make it so.
HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO SAY THIS???
IF. YOU. COME. TO. THIS. PLATFORM. AND. THERE. HAVEN’T. BEEN. ANY. POSTS. FOR. WEEKS.
YOU. WILL. LEAVE.
That is a fact. if you deny it, you are simply insane. We do not currently have enough people to avoid a situation where there can suddenly be days/weeks of time with no new posts, and certainly no good ones.
If that happens, the community will die. It’s like I’m saying “if you let go of a bowling ball in Earth’s gravity, it will hit the floor,” and you’re like “BUT PROVE IT! HOW DO YOU KNOOOOOW THAT’LL HAPPEN???”
It’s bloody goddamned obvious. This community is BEYOND TEENY TINY SMALL, right now. This SubLemmy has 1.8 thousand people active per day. That’s 75 per hour. You can fit that many people into a mid-sized bus. IT’S NOT ENOUGH PEOPLE TO GUARANTEE CONTINUED EXISTENCE.
Scream all you want, you’ll never make me incorrect about this.
Yeah, I’m the one screaming. Ok, bud.
Fyi, repeating the same made up scenario isn’t an explanation, nor does it remotely approach “fact”. You keep pulling bs figures like “2-3 years” and “20-100 times more users” with zero elaboration, then freak out when the hollowness of your statements is pointed out. News flash: “facts” have corroborating evidence and backing that can be shown to others. What you have done so far has none of that except your repeated insistence that you are right because you said you are.
You think you’re winning the argument, because you are denying such basic facts that it’s essentially impossible for me to prove them.
If this community had, say, 10,000 people active per day, I would not feel the frustration that I’m feeling. But I just can’t believe you’re truly being intellectually honest.
Please try to be honest with me, and try to give me an explanation for your own belief: without any growth to replace users who leave, do you REALLY believe that 1.8 thousand people per day will not ebb away to 1,500 in six months, 1,100 in a year, 800 a while after that, etc?
You think people here are made of some kind of different stuff than regular people? We’ve lucked into a group of hyper-loyal, saintly humans, who will 100 percent commit to a community forever, regardless of whether it provides them with the experience they expected?
Why should we expect that? Why am I being such an asshole, for simply assuming that we’ve got normal humans, here?