Consider this, this side made many genocides over the years, if genocides it the first time it wouldn’t have the chance to do to another, ans we would end up with only 2, ever heard of killing the killer?
Edit: there’s obviously better solutions than genocides but the one the world is currently doing isn’t.
There is a difference between Gaza and Israel, and I just happened to come across a comment I can copy & paste:
"There is no such as a “civilian” in an occupying colony. Half the population in “israel” are military conscripts, and most of the other half are fascists and settlers just the same; there are very few people in the colony actually plotting/fighting against the state.
By your logic, the Viet Cong, which used the same tactics (attacking villages, taking hostages, using tunnels and guerilla warfare) and had the same goals (driving out foreign occupiers and reuniting their country) as Hamas, and the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising, which (regardless of its intentions and goals) resulted in the deaths of thousands of Jews at the hands of the nazis similar to how Palestinians are being killed by “israel” now after the Oct 7 assault, were “terrorists” (whatever that even means).
Hamas is currently the largest Palestinian armed resistance group (and was even directly elected by the people of Gaza at that) and deserves everyone’s support."
Whoever wrote that comment has an inaccurate grasp of the demographics of Israel and is using an argument Bin Laden made for justifying killing all those people on 9/11 - he felt everyone physically located in the US should die. It’s abhorrent and it’s advocating a crime against humanity.
Hamas was last elected about 17 years ago when half the current pupulation of Gaza were aged 1 or not born yet. Whether you support them or not is up to you but going around claiming they represent everyone in Gaza is just playing into the IDF narrative.
Is it genocide if the people you’re killing aren’t innocent? as in, they willingly migrated to a country that exists on stolen land with the original population deprived of human rights behind a wall, and not utilizing the fact it’s the only democratic nation in area to change that, in addition to calling said original population human animals and demanding their death because you’re the choosen people deserve this land, and repeating that cycle for 70 years.
Kill the killer to prevent more killing down the line, you don’t need a religion to you that, it’s common sense, if you took someone’s life we take yours, if killing was left unpunished people would continue to kill, just google: “US genocide” and you would understand.
having the populations of all your neighboring countries want you dead since your creation should tell you something is wrong, if the middle east was democratic Israel wouldn’t exist.
This makes people on lemmy say things like “religion bad” like religions aren’t the source of most modern definitions of ‘ethics’, and makes people on lemmy promote atheism.
Am I promoting genocide? no, I’ll tell you how we can solve the problem once and for all, disband the Israeli army, send most of the population back to their home nations, and viola, is this logistically realistic? it’s as realistic as the way jews killed everyone 70 years ago and made Israel appear from nowhere and migrating that much people from all over the world it. If some jew objects, we just shoot him for terrorism, just like how he would treat others.
Also the US committed war crimes against everyone but jews, it would allow the US to 100% the war crimes book.
Okay, how do you suggest we deal with the occupation then? Bomb Yemen? Insult Natenyahu? Try and onvince the Arabs - 400,000,000+ people - who would kill to trade their life for the death of an Israeli soldier to normalize with Israel? None of these worked if you get my meaning.
that will never happen aslong as the US 1) has veto power 2) has any influence at all
and I am not the person you are replying to, however, all none violent means have been tried, Isn’treal has been doing this genocide sense the begining, this is the only option these opressed people have, and they have the right to an armed uprising, to save themselves, to free themselves from not just an opression, but from a genocide, from extenction.
@CooperRedArmyDog just to be clear I am not arguing against the use of force. It can be a legitimate form of resistance to violent colonial oppression.
The person above wants to genocide the civilian population of Israel, that’s what I’m arguing against.
they have the right to an armed uprising, to save themselves
It’s not really working out for them. 1.5% of the Palestinian population has been genocided and the genocidaires are showing no sign of stopping. There’s a huge power imbalance.
Like you say, the UN’s hands are tied while the US vetos.
But I do not think calls to genocide the Israelis are constructive or responsible, or even sane.
I am speaking super carefully, because I just got done? maybe arguing with a whole bunch of people from .world who seemed to think any fighting or asymetirical rules of war from palistine was a genocide aganst Isn’treal.
And while I will say things Like I want Isn’treal wiped from the map or even the term isn’treal, I personaly have not ment it as the complete anialation, nor do I think it will come to that, nor do I realisticly think that is what the palistinians want, though I cannot speak for them.
What I would expect the Palistinians would want is their land back … all of it… and the genocide to stop. and I would be willing to bet, that at some point when the aid stops coming or it gets too uncomfertable they will leave, just from the previous power balances. I do not particularly want to see a mass slaughter of the people of Isn’treal, even if I think some deserve the wall.
I would also like to point out the palistinians really had no other choice, their choices where, do nothing and be genocided slowly and quietly, or fight back, and have a CHANCE of not getting completly wiped out, I am not saying either option was great, but I am saying if I understand the position they where in, I cannot say I would have made a difrent one
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Consider this, this side made many genocides over the years, if genocides it the first time it wouldn’t have the chance to do to another, ans we would end up with only 2, ever heard of killing the killer?
Edit: there’s obviously better solutions than genocides but the one the world is currently doing isn’t.
This is the exact reasoning that Israel is using to justify their genocide in Gaza.
It’s like people get 90% of the way towards “genocide is bad” and then add the asterisk “unless we do it.”
There is a difference between Gaza and Israel, and I just happened to come across a comment I can copy & paste:
"There is no such as a “civilian” in an occupying colony. Half the population in “israel” are military conscripts, and most of the other half are fascists and settlers just the same; there are very few people in the colony actually plotting/fighting against the state.
By your logic, the Viet Cong, which used the same tactics (attacking villages, taking hostages, using tunnels and guerilla warfare) and had the same goals (driving out foreign occupiers and reuniting their country) as Hamas, and the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising, which (regardless of its intentions and goals) resulted in the deaths of thousands of Jews at the hands of the nazis similar to how Palestinians are being killed by “israel” now after the Oct 7 assault, were “terrorists” (whatever that even means).
Hamas is currently the largest Palestinian armed resistance group (and was even directly elected by the people of Gaza at that) and deserves everyone’s support."
Whoever wrote that comment has an inaccurate grasp of the demographics of Israel and is using an argument Bin Laden made for justifying killing all those people on 9/11 - he felt everyone physically located in the US should die. It’s abhorrent and it’s advocating a crime against humanity.
Hamas was last elected about 17 years ago when half the current pupulation of Gaza were aged 1 or not born yet. Whether you support them or not is up to you but going around claiming they represent everyone in Gaza is just playing into the IDF narrative.
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Is it genocide if the people you’re killing aren’t innocent? as in, they willingly migrated to a country that exists on stolen land with the original population deprived of human rights behind a wall, and not utilizing the fact it’s the only democratic nation in area to change that, in addition to calling said original population human animals and demanding their death because you’re the choosen people deserve this land, and repeating that cycle for 70 years.
Kill the killer to prevent more killing down the line, you don’t need a religion to you that, it’s common sense, if you took someone’s life we take yours, if killing was left unpunished people would continue to kill, just google: “US genocide” and you would understand.
having the populations of all your neighboring countries want you dead since your creation should tell you something is wrong, if the middle east was democratic Israel wouldn’t exist.
This makes people on lemmy say things like “religion bad” like religions aren’t the source of most modern definitions of ‘ethics’, and makes people on lemmy promote atheism.
Am I promoting genocide? no, I’ll tell you how we can solve the problem once and for all, disband the Israeli army, send most of the population back to their home nations, and viola, is this logistically realistic? it’s as realistic as the way jews killed everyone 70 years ago and made Israel appear from nowhere and migrating that much people from all over the world it. If some jew objects, we just shoot him for terrorism, just like how he would treat others.
Also the US committed war crimes against everyone but jews, it would allow the US to 100% the war crimes book.
Yes that’s still a genocide my dude. You need to rethink.
Okay, how do you suggest we deal with the occupation then? Bomb Yemen? Insult Natenyahu? Try and onvince the Arabs - 400,000,000+ people - who would kill to trade their life for the death of an Israeli soldier to normalize with Israel? None of these worked if you get my meaning.
I would like to see the international community enforce international law, for a start.
Can you really not see that wanting to murder civillian populations and children is wrong?
that will never happen aslong as the US 1) has veto power 2) has any influence at all
and I am not the person you are replying to, however, all none violent means have been tried, Isn’treal has been doing this genocide sense the begining, this is the only option these opressed people have, and they have the right to an armed uprising, to save themselves, to free themselves from not just an opression, but from a genocide, from extenction.
@CooperRedArmyDog just to be clear I am not arguing against the use of force. It can be a legitimate form of resistance to violent colonial oppression.
The person above wants to genocide the civilian population of Israel, that’s what I’m arguing against.
It’s not really working out for them. 1.5% of the Palestinian population has been genocided and the genocidaires are showing no sign of stopping. There’s a huge power imbalance.
Like you say, the UN’s hands are tied while the US vetos.
But I do not think calls to genocide the Israelis are constructive or responsible, or even sane.
I am speaking super carefully, because I just got done? maybe arguing with a whole bunch of people from .world who seemed to think any fighting or asymetirical rules of war from palistine was a genocide aganst Isn’treal.
And while I will say things Like I want Isn’treal wiped from the map or even the term isn’treal, I personaly have not ment it as the complete anialation, nor do I think it will come to that, nor do I realisticly think that is what the palistinians want, though I cannot speak for them.
What I would expect the Palistinians would want is their land back … all of it… and the genocide to stop. and I would be willing to bet, that at some point when the aid stops coming or it gets too uncomfertable they will leave, just from the previous power balances. I do not particularly want to see a mass slaughter of the people of Isn’treal, even if I think some deserve the wall.
I would also like to point out the palistinians really had no other choice, their choices where, do nothing and be genocided slowly and quietly, or fight back, and have a CHANCE of not getting completly wiped out, I am not saying either option was great, but I am saying if I understand the position they where in, I cannot say I would have made a difrent one