But I have a hard time to take criticism from people who believe Adrian Zenz on anything
That wasn’t me though, I just barged into this conversation to talk about our perceptions and definitions of truth in these online encyclopedias more so than about Uyghurs.
Personally, I’m not quite sold on the Uyghur narrative on either side but I also haven’t looked into it a lot.
lol, and you think the slop you’ve seen your entire life has been absolutely unbiased?
Yeah, nothing is (which includes Marxist-Leninism), but I unfortunately don’t have the time and resources to not trust something.
Well, You absolutely can, since it actually saves you time. Otherwise you’d go and listen to Fox News slop as well
Uyghur narrative
There really isn’t much information even provided by the proponents of the genocide theory, for example their supposed police database leak that was going to be irrefutable evidence… it was fake. It had AI pictures and pictures of public figures. They did some political circus for a while, and then it just kind of died down, we don’t even have much to debunk because their claims were political circus aimed at the western people. If they can provide proper evidence, then I’ll take time to investigate properly.
Meanwhile there is an actual genocide of Muslims currently underway and so far so good western media seems to be on-board, so I have a hard time to believe them
Note, I am actually Iranian myself. If there is a Muslim genocide underway I’m inclined to go figure it out
It would seem to me that Israel and China should have a lot of common ground in dealing with islamistic terrorism, but geopolitics is preventing them from co-operating.
It would seem to me that Israel and China should have a lot of common ground in dealing with islamistic terrorism, but geopolitics is preventing them from co-operating.
Kind of, but not really. The attacks in China were mostly spill over from the post War On Terror surge in Islamic extremism in the middle east, while Israel’s issues are tied into it’s conflict with Palestine that go back decades. The important difference is that Israel is trying to get rid of the Palestinians so it can take their land, and the Islamic terrorism has largely been in response to that. Meanwhile, Xinjiang has been a part of China for a long time, and the people living their are Chinese citizens, with the violence being a relatively recent occurrence.
That said, it would be a far better world if Israel was as restrained in it’s response to Terrorism as China, but that would require them to, at the very least, grant Palestinians full citizenship and voting rights.
That wasn’t me though, I just barged into this conversation to talk about our perceptions and definitions of truth in these online encyclopedias more so than about Uyghurs.
Personally, I’m not quite sold on the Uyghur narrative on either side but I also haven’t looked into it a lot.
Yeah, nothing is (which includes Marxist-Leninism), but I unfortunately don’t have the time and resources to not trust something.
Well, You absolutely can, since it actually saves you time. Otherwise you’d go and listen to Fox News slop as well
There really isn’t much information even provided by the proponents of the genocide theory, for example their supposed police database leak that was going to be irrefutable evidence… it was fake. It had AI pictures and pictures of public figures. They did some political circus for a while, and then it just kind of died down, we don’t even have much to debunk because their claims were political circus aimed at the western people. If they can provide proper evidence, then I’ll take time to investigate properly.
Meanwhile there is an actual genocide of Muslims currently underway and so far so good western media seems to be on-board, so I have a hard time to believe them
Note, I am actually Iranian myself. If there is a Muslim genocide underway I’m inclined to go figure it out
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Not trusting Fox News is pretty fucking easy tbh :) Wikipedia is not quite as trivial, I feel.
It should be.
Concerning Uyghurs: https://news.cgtn.com/news/2019-12-05/Fighting-terrorism-in-Xinjiang-MaNLLDtnfq/index.html – it seems to be a fact acknowledged by also China that quite many Uyghurs committed terrorist acts – thousands of attacks according to above article. That’s not in dispute, or would you disagree?
It would seem to me that Israel and China should have a lot of common ground in dealing with islamistic terrorism, but geopolitics is preventing them from co-operating.
I don’t disagree.
Kind of, but not really. The attacks in China were mostly spill over from the post War On Terror surge in Islamic extremism in the middle east, while Israel’s issues are tied into it’s conflict with Palestine that go back decades. The important difference is that Israel is trying to get rid of the Palestinians so it can take their land, and the Islamic terrorism has largely been in response to that. Meanwhile, Xinjiang has been a part of China for a long time, and the people living their are Chinese citizens, with the violence being a relatively recent occurrence.
That said, it would be a far better world if Israel was as restrained in it’s response to Terrorism as China, but that would require them to, at the very least, grant Palestinians full citizenship and voting rights.
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