Also, what Motte and Baily? No when I think genocide I also think about systemic cultural erasure not just the murder and sterilisation part.
Maybe that’s what YOU think, but that’s not what MOST people think, which is what I said. The Oxford dictionary defines genocide: “The deliberate and systematic killing or persecution of people from a particular group identified as having a shared ethnicity, nationality, etc…” Says nothing about culture, and is pretty unambiguous that genocide requires “deliberate and systematic killing” which is not what you saw in Ukraine. That’s how most people would define a genocide.
so where the fuck did you pull Uyghurs from?
It’s another example where your motte and bailey tactic is used. First, you make the bold claim. Accuse of genocide, mass killings, sterilization, etc. Then when everyone debunks you on it, you fall back to your motte, your safe claim. “Oh no, I didn’t mean genocide like they were systematically killing people, I meant it like a CULTURAL genocide. Nobody said anyone was getting mass murdered.” What a joke. And like I said already, I bring Uyghurs up because its an example where it could be debunked in real time, because it’s in the present. Because the so-called “holodomor” is in the past it is more murky, but the same tactics are used.
Kinda think that’s a bit of a Freudian slip there mate.
Oh, you are trying to psychoanalyze me now. Hmmm. 🤣🤣🤣
Like, you do know Glasnost happened right? The USSR did give you permission to acknowledge that there at least was a famine in Ukraine
Did you not even read what I wrote? Where do I deny there was a famine? I mention it all the time. Did you accidentally reply to the wrong person or something?
Maybe that’s what YOU think, but that’s not what MOST people think, which is what I said. The Oxford dictionary defines genocide: “The deliberate and systematic killing or persecution of people from a particular group identified as having a shared ethnicity, nationality, etc…” Says nothing about culture, and is pretty unambiguous that genocide requires “deliberate and systematic killing” which is not what you saw in Ukraine. That’s how most people would define a genocide.
It’s another example where your motte and bailey tactic is used. First, you make the bold claim. Accuse of genocide, mass killings, sterilization, etc. Then when everyone debunks you on it, you fall back to your motte, your safe claim. “Oh no, I didn’t mean genocide like they were systematically killing people, I meant it like a CULTURAL genocide. Nobody said anyone was getting mass murdered.” What a joke. And like I said already, I bring Uyghurs up because its an example where it could be debunked in real time, because it’s in the present. Because the so-called “holodomor” is in the past it is more murky, but the same tactics are used.
Oh, you are trying to psychoanalyze me now. Hmmm. 🤣🤣🤣
Did you not even read what I wrote? Where do I deny there was a famine? I mention it all the time. Did you accidentally reply to the wrong person or something?