Alternatives to "leftist" or "progressive"? - eviltoast

Any tips for identifying oneself to new folks that let you “skip intro” and get into the results-focused conversations about improving our condition?

In union work I’ve identified myself as a socialist for awhile, but now just say communist if I’m friendly with the party or avoid it all together. The west has so poisoned the lexicon that I feel variations of “pragmatist” are all that reliably skip the small talk and moves us straight into serious convos.

In my opinion, left/right framing is standard eurocentric good/bad BS that creates an antagonistic stage from the outset that passively endorses the current system and linear thinking. If the language itself comes out of the failed French Revolution, are there not better terms we can use to distance ourselves from the ideological lib stench surrounding Left/Progressive today and simultaneously indicate we’re here to get shit done?

  • Lemvi@lemmy.sdf.org
    28·
    10 months ago

    You could just not use any political label when introducing yourself. Let them gradually figure out your opinions on things through the conversations you have.

    • inferiorjc@lemmygrad.mlOP
      11·
      10 months ago

      thanks fam! that’s what works best overall so far. “sweetie pie socialist” worked well in 2020 and quickly got ppl talking without some hesitancy from folks who want to know where you stand on things before saying too much. Not as efficient now so I hope there’s a 2024 term ppl have found which indicates “this conversation is a wholesome space, go off”.

  • Omega_Haxors@lemmy.mlEnglish
    21·
    10 months ago

    Scientific Socialist: The original Marxist Leninist. It’s way more descriptive to the average person and has zero cold war baggage, and the best part is if they want to know more you can segue right into dialectical materialism.

  • nephs@lemmygrad.ml
    19·
    10 months ago

    I think I like some version of “I stand with the oppressed”.

    It will take a while before bonjoursie is systematically oppressed and I have to think of something else. But for now, it feels like it mostly works.

    Agree?

  • Camarada Forte@lemmygrad.mlM
    17·
    10 months ago

    I agree with others about not labeling oneself in if you’re introducing yourself. Labels are useful exactly for the reason you stated:

    identifying oneself to new folks that let you “skip intro” and get into the results-focused conversations

    The problem is, you have no way to guarantee that when you say “leftist”, “progressive”, “Marxist”, “Communist”, or similar, they actually understand what you mean. If they have no idea what Marxism, Communism is, they will probably bring to mind the preconceived notions of bourgeois ideology, and they will either ask more useless and tiring questions or will completely shut off contact with you

  • Kaplya [none/use name]@hexbear.netEnglish
    16·
    10 months ago

    “I’m a Stalinist but I’ve also been reading a lot of Mao lately and really starting to appreciate his work”

    This accomplishes three things at once:

    1. The standard left/right framing is completely off the table now
    2. It demonstrates that there are different strands of communism and you know the differences
    3. The attention is now completely off of “so you’re saying you’re a commie” and instead goes to “wait what’s the difference between Stalin and Mao?”

    That’s your way in. About 2/3 of the people I’ve talked to ended up being more curious about why I make it such a big deal between Stalin and Mao rather than going straight into their preprogrammed “oh you’re just a commie” schtick. You now have a small window to educate them.

    • inferiorjc@lemmygrad.mlOP
      2·
      10 months ago

      So appreciate everyone’s feedback and I think this (and variations of this) is what I’ll go with. Thank you!

    • Omega_Haxors@lemmy.mlEnglish
      9·
      10 months ago

      I remember when I caught up to someone I hadn’t talked to in a long time the way I revealed my political journey was to make a point about how you can make edgy jokes without being racist, for example: Stalin did nothing wrong.

      They just went stone cold silent before going “… uuhhhmm… I don’t really… do extreme left or right…” the absolute stunlock was priceless.