physicists doing math be like - eviltoast
  • iAvicenna@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    4
    ·
    edit-2
    10 months ago

    is it immediately obvious that the inverse of the operator L is 1/L though? Much less the series expansion for the operator…

    If you try to fill in the technical details it will be a lot of work compared to a simpler calculus based alternative

    But then again some Mathematicians spent the better half of the century formalizing the mathematics used by Physicists like Dirac (spoiler: they all turned out to be valid)

    • pankuleczkapl@lemmy.dbzer0.com
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      3
      ·
      edit-2
      10 months ago

      After careful consideration I have come to the conclusion that the inverse of the operator L is obviously not 1/L and you are absolutely right. This derivation is complete nonsense, my apologies. In fact no such inverse can even exist for the operator 1 - integral, as this function is not an injection.

      • renormalizer@feddit.de
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        3
        ·
        10 months ago

        What is meant here, I believe, is (1 - Int)^-1. Writing 1/(1 - Int) is an abuse of notation, especially when the numerator isn’t just 1 but another operator, which loses the distinction between a left and a right inverse. But for a bounded linear operator on a normed vector space, and I think Int over an appropriately chosen space of functions qualifies, (1 - Int)^-1 equals the Neumann series \sum_k=0^∞ Int^k, exactly as in the derivation.

        Int is injective: Take Int f = Int g, apply the derivative, and the fundamental theorem gives you f = g. I think you can make it bijective by working with equivalence classes of functions that differ only by a constant.

        • pankuleczkapl@lemmy.dbzer0.com
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          3
          ·
          10 months ago

          Int is definitely not injective when you consider noncontinuous functions (such as f(X)={1 iff X=0, else 0}). If you consider only continuous functions, then unfortunately 1-Int is also not injective. Consider for example e^x and 2e^x. Unfortunately your idea with equivalence classes also fails, as for L = 1 - Int, L(f) = L(g) implies only that L(f-g) = 0, so for f(X)=X and g(X)=X + e^x L(f) = L(g)

          • renormalizer@feddit.de
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            2
            ·
            10 months ago

            Sets of measure zero are unfair. But you’re right, the second line in the image is basically an eigenvector equation for Int and eigenvalue 1, where the whole point is that there is a subspace that is mapped to zero by the operator.

            I’m still curious if one could make this work. This looks similar to problems encountered in perturbation theory, when you look for eigenvectors of an operator related to one where you have the spectrum.

            • pankuleczkapl@lemmy.dbzer0.com
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              2
              ·
              10 months ago

              Well, sets of measure 0 are one of the fundamentals of the whole integration theory, so it is always wise to pay particular attention to their behaviour under certain transformations. The whole 1 + int + int^2 + … series intuitively really seems to work as an inverse of 1 - int over a special subspace of R^R functions, I think a good choice would be a space of polynomials over e^x and X (to leave no ambiguity: R[X, e^X]). It is all we need to prove this theorem, and these operators behave much more predictably in it. It would be nice to find a formal definition for the convergence of the series, but I can’t think of any metric that would scratch that itch.