Benjamin Netanyahu Just Said “From the River to the Sea”, rejects the premise of a Palestinian state and promised that Israel will take over the entire region it currently occupies - eviltoast
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    10 months ago

    This shithead’s genocide is going to birth a new generation of vengeful extremists out of the ashes of Gaza for the rest of the world to deal with, in the future

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      By design. Fascists need an enemy to protect people from, in order to justify their cruelty. And they need a underclass to oppress, to demonstrate their power.

      If they can make one out of the other - why, that’s just efficiency.

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      10 months ago

      Thus the cycle continues. Come the end of humanity, the last two people in the middle east will still be throwing rocks at each other.

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        The onion had ‘news from the future’ from several years ago and showed the last Israeli fighting the last Palestinian over a stray cat that wandered into the Gaza scrap

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    10 months ago

    Hey look. Its what we’ve been telling you it was the whole time. A genocidal eradication of a people to take their land.

    The weakness of western ‘democracies’ is disgusting.

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      10 months ago

      To a certain extent. But aren’t the countries in the near vicinity the most able?

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        That’s the problem.

        The western democracies aren’t weak like TropicalDingDong says, their governments have chosen their side.

        And if the neighboring countries do anything about it, the western democracies will take action.

        The inaction isn’t due to inability, but due to apathy for the Palestinians.

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          Saudi Arabia and the Arab world could ban the sale of oil and see biden prostrate, nobody gives a fuck about them because you can’t make money from them and being a religious minority (in the west at-least) is the icing on the cake, not to say they care about their religious brothers, it was never a reason for anything other than oppression of people they don’t like.

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            Saudi Arabia and the Arab world could ban the sale of oil and see biden prostrate

            Like I said above, most Middle Eastern governments who aren’t aligned with Iran have been tamed by the US using both carrots and sticks. Saudi Arabia wants their weapons, Egypt wants its aid, etc etc.

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            10 months ago

            If they did that, the US would suddenly discover they have chemical weapons and need to be invaded ASAP.

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            Yeah, but they are not thinking about Biden, they are probably worried about the other guy.

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        It’s Western democracies that tamed Middle Eastern countries to make sure they’re always on Israel’s side, or at least effectively neutral. You can see it from Saudi Arabia’s weapons and war in Yemen to Egypt’s aid; the US spends a lot of money and political capital to buy the Middle East’s cooperation in Israel’s Apartheid/genocide project. And if that wasn’t enough, they deployed strike carriers to make sure nobody intervenes militarily.

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      I’m thinking these days. The problem with democracy is that it can’t be forced even if it were the correct thing to do in the pragmatic sense. If you force it, it’s not democracy.

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    10 months ago

    Oh, look, an open admission of genocidal intent.

    Should be useful in the court case against Israel.

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      These are the quotes this article is based on according to another news outlet, and it is unsure if the translation (especially the wording for the proclaimed statement in the title) is up for debate since there are multiple translations.

      (“from the river to the sea,” according to an English translation on the Israeli news channel i24NEWS.

      According to other translations, Netanyahu said that Israel “must have security control over the entire territory west of the Jordan River,”)

      "Every area that we evacuate we receive terrible terror against us. It happened in South Lebanon, in Gaza, and also in Judea and Samaria [the West Bank] which we did it.”

      “And therefore I clarify that in any other arrangement, in the future, the state of Israel has to control the entire area from the river to the sea.”

      "This truth I say to our American friends,” Netanyahu said Thursday. “And I also stopped the attempt to impose on us a reality that will jeopardize us. A prime minister in Israel has to be able to say no, even to the best of friends. To say no when you need to and to say yes when you can.”

      Does anybody know what “proposal” the USA made that he’s referencing?

  • Mrkawfee@lemmy.world
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    It’s ok when Zionist colonisers say “from the river to the sea” but it’s hate speech when the original inhabitants or their supporters say it

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        10 months ago

        It depends on how it’s said. Is it said as part of an effort to build a multicultural / religious state or part of an effort to rid the region of other ethnicities?

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          10 months ago

          Well yes, a two state solution will never work but building a new cooperative nation isn’t stretching the borders of either current party

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            It worked with Native Americans, it worked in South Africa.

            One of Rome’s tyrant emperor’s, Caracalla, granted citizenship to a huge swath of the empire because vesting populations is stabilizing.

            But yea, lets continue the current regimen of apartheid because that keeping the region so safe…

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              The two state solution is going to continue what we have now where they kill each other over the border because neither side is going to be content with it

              If you trust in Hamas, at least you can distrust Netanyahu

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                Why would you assume I trust any Hamas sources when I can just listen to Israeli leaders openly call for genecide? Also Hamas is a corpse of a regime who the West pretends is still alive to justify the genecide. My fear is the power vacuum will be replaced with something much worse. The Iraq war all over again.

                I wouldn’t count out a one state solution eventually. As this genecide and looming regional conflicts isolate Israeli politicians. Because let’s not forget, it’s leadership not civilians that create these horrible events.

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                  Because let’s not forget, it’s leadership not civilians that create these horrible events.

                  These horrible events have Israeli public support so…

    • SuckMyWang@lemmy.world
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      10 months ago

      Just a reminder that before Palestinians lived there Jewish people lived there. I don’t really support either side. I just like saying uncomfortable facts out loud because I’m on the internet. Downvote away

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        Was the original Jewish population ethnically cleansed from the area in living memory? No? Then I don’t fucking care.

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          So genocide is ok as long as enough time passes from the event? It’s such an obvious dog whistle when those opposed to the current genocide are magically unopposed to the genocide perpetrated against a certain group of people “before 1930”. It’s not ok to perform acts of genocide against the Palestinian civilians today nor is it ok for the historical Jewish populations to have had acts of genocide perpetrated against them.

      • ???@lemmy.world
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        10 months ago

        3 thousand years ago? Before there was Jewish or Palestinian people there, the was no one. Hence I believe the area should be completely emptied. Just like to say uncomfortable facts out loud.

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        10 months ago

        I couldn’t give a shit if they lived there 2000 years ago. It doesn’t give them the right to colonize it in 2023.

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          There’s never been a period of time when Jewish people weren’t living there. How can a group of people colonize the place they’re already living?

          • Maggoty@lemmy.world
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            Because you see all Jews as from Palestine. That isn’t the case. Before the colonization project started Jews and Arabs had lived together there for thousands of years. Then Europeans showed up, and suddenly most of the Arabs are corraled into reservations that the Europeans and Americans keep encroaching on with settlements.

            Rather than assimilate to the existing culture and produce a single post colonial state they decided to try and push the Arabs out. Nobody would care if they had produced a post colonial state that had heavy protections for Jewish refugees, but was not a Jewish state.

  • dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    Ahhh there it is. The PM of Israel just said he plans to violate the treaties and annex Gaza and the West Bank. By ejecting these people from their homeland or just wholesale killing them, that’s fucking genocide. It really never was about Hamas. And Hamas still exists.

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        10 months ago

        My opinioj as a stranger on the internet (so like your new best friend)/: A direct hand as in organizing it? No. Indirectly as in financing Hama’s? Sure. A hand as in knowing it was about to happen and let it happen? Maybe, probably.

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    10 months ago

    I hate him so much. Way before the Gaza war. He’s an alt right tyrant regardless of his religion.

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      Don’t call Zionists Jews.

      Zionists are a disgrace using Judaism only as a shield for their war crimes.

      Netanyahu is quite literally a white surpremacist that just wants to kill brown people and expand the Lebensraum.

      Nazism isn’t a religion.

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        10 months ago

        Being a fascist doesn’t stop you being Jewish any more than being a slavemaster stopped the pilgrims from being Christian

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            You can use their apocrypha and their iconology. Adapt their traditions and wear their garb. All you have to do is put first in front of the name or something.

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          If people stopped calling those people Christians that would have been a good start too. Both religions are pretty clear that these acts are not allowed.

          Cherry picking a single chapter about a promised land and deciding to ignore all the rest where it’s clearly state that acquiring it through this kind of corruption is forbidden is not exactly “following the religion”.

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            Sorry mate but all Abrahamic religions contain rules for how to deal with your slaves.

            Slavery is absolutely condoned by the bible.

            Your whole argument is No True Scotsman.

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                … Christians owned slaves. There are rules for owning slaves in the bible.

                What aren’t you getting about this?

                • 【J】【u】【s】【t】【Z】@lemmy.world
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                  I’m agreeing with you. “No true Scotsman” is when there is no standard by which to measure the thing. We have the Bible by which to measure Christianness, and since it has rules for keeping slaves right there in it, slavery is truly Christian. Saying it is not isn’t a logical fallacy, it’s just false.

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              Yes indeed they contain rules about slavery.

              The problem is that they do the slavery but don’t give the slaves their rights.

              If you look up the rights those slaves would actually have, you quickly realize what’s being followed and what isn’t.

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        That’s what I’m saying, I hate him because regardless of what his religion or ethnicity is, he himself is just evil. He’s out for wealth and power and fuck whoever gets in his way.

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    “For 30 years, I am very consistent and I am saying something very simple: this conflict is not on the lack of a state of Palestinians, but the existence of a state, the Jewish state,” Netanyahu said, according to a translation on i24NEWS. “Every area that we evacuate we receive terrible terror against us. It happened in South Lebanon, in Gaza, and also in Judea and Samaria [the West Bank] which we did it.”

    It turns out, when you terrorize people and steal their land for decades they are still angry at you when you('re forced to) let them borrow some of their land back while continuing to terrorize them.

  • brvslvrnst@lemmy.ml
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    So…they just lost the international court case then, no? He legit just said “we’re taking it over.”

    'Course, this is me just being hopeful there is some recourse for the blatant disregard for humans 🫤

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      No, waging a war of conquest is a fundamental right of any sovereign state. That doesn’t bear directly on a question as to the prosecution of a genocide.

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        Patently false.

        UN Charter Article 2, paragraph 4:

        All Members shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state, or in any other manner inconsistent with the purposes of the United Nations.

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          UN Charter doesn’t abridge the natural rights of sovereigns. The UN Charter is also not a binding document apart from governing the internal workings of the United Nations. Maybe make sure you know anything about a topic before making yourself look foolish.

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                My point is, sovereign states are things we made up while “fundamental rights” are things that apparently are just properties of those things that we didn’t add.

                It’s all just bullshit trying to justify power hungry assholes wanting to increase their web of influence (over people who don’t want to follow them) to the people whose lives and well-being they need to risk to extend their power.

                And yeah, evidently there isn’t anything to discuss if you can only reply to a specific question with a link to a lecture series about the broad topic. Though I know you dodged the question because you can’t use logic to get to that point, you either believe in “fundamental rights” or you don’t and picking at that thread is more likely to lose support than to gain it because the right you are arguing for essentially says states have the right to go kill people in neighbouring states if they want to take them over, which was largely rejected after WWI and even more so after WWII when the colonial empires started realizing “hey maybe it’s not ok to rule all these other countries for our own benefit”.

                This comment isn’t for you anyways. It’s for people who read what you said and got a feeling of, “this doesn’t sound right” but weren’t able to put their finger on exactly why.

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          Chin up. Just because it’s the right of a nationstate doesn’t mean it’s accepted. Wars of conquest have been almost universally denounced in the post-WW2 period. Treaties and mutual-defense agreements have been structured in the post-war period to forestall any such wars and have largely proven successful at doing so.

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    I’m sure all the people pissed that Rashida Talib used those words will be equally upset about Bibi saying it. /s

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    So he’s finally admitted it. I’m guessing there will be silence from the people that said Israel was definitely going to give Gaza back to Palestine after Hamas was gone.

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    10 months ago

    It certainly seems like all roads are leading to a big war soon. Storms a comin fellas. Enjoy what we have now.

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    “From the river to the sea” is just a fancy way of saying “Lebensraum”

    Isn’t it ironic…dontcha’ think…

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    I thought they’d wait longer before doing this. Don’t they want to tease the West a bit longer? See if they can get more weapons and stuff? Or are they calling their bluff, knowing they’ll give them stuff no matter what they say at this point?