is a hot dog a sandwich - eviltoast
  • Cyrus Draegur@lemm.ee
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    11 months ago

    This classification system is deeply flawed but one of the most obvious ways is failing to recognize that quiche is an arbitrarily over specific example of what its category should ACTUALLY be called, which is obviously PIE.

    PIZZA IS PIE TOO. The crust puffing up elevated at the edges contains the ingredients within.

    And in this case, a stuffed crust pizza is indeed a PIE SURROUNDED BY A CALZONE.

    Alternatively surrounded by a burrito.

      • silly goose meekah@lemmy.world
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        11 months ago

        if you’re looking at the whole pizza pie, the crust doesn’t have open sides so it’s a calzone. if you’re looking at a single slice, it’s sushi.

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          11 months ago

          then again, this is a a loop-shaped calzone… topologically, a torus. the chart doesn’t even have an entry for that, but i’m ok with provisionally classifying it as a calzone

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            11 months ago

            I feel like the chart needs a torus entry like some kind of filled doughnut, but I also think a rolled, filled torus is closer to a sushi roll than a calzone. I think everyone is just settling on calzone because we are talking about pizza and ignoring the structure and shape which is what this is about. How does a torus fit into the cube rule anyway? You can only consider it as the base structure which is a tube, ie sushi.

      • beefcat@beehaw.org
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        11 months ago

        the stuffed crust is prepared as a calzone but becomes sushi once the pizza is sliced.

    • kase@lemmy.world
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      11 months ago

      What’s your opinion on thin-crust pizza? Is it toast? I feel like it’s toast.

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      11 months ago

      Your comment makes me think that we’re missing (at least) one of configurations on the diagram, the one where two bases are perpendicular to each other. A slice of pizza will have that configuration, but I am too culinary-challenged to imagine anything else by that shape to name it after 🤔

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      11 months ago

      Since bread cannot be attached to language in any orientable way, you are right: It ain’t a sandwich, it’s a salad!

    • Tlaloc_Temporal@lemmy.ca
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      11 months ago

      I would find it a tad odd to refer to a hotdog as simply a sandwich, because we have a more precise and common word for it, but I would understand nonetheless.

      Not just because of this debate, but also because when you use the ingredients separately you get weiner sandwiches and hot dog bun sandwiches.

      It would be odd to call champagne wine, but still understandable. Same for calling a lava lamp an incandescent light. Actually, this would probably work for lots of genericized tradmarks, like jello, bandaid, dumpster, zamboni, kleenex, zipper, velcro, and so on.

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        11 months ago

        Well, in the case when a table is empty except for the hotdog sandwich in question, I would maybe understand. But I imagine myself to be quite dumbfounded with such a naming

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          At this point, it’s pretty hard to find a natural opinion on hotdogs as sandwiches sunce everyone has heard of the great sandwich debate, but I don’t think it’s a big leap. I think calling a hamburger a sandwich is about as weird, for example.

  • SexyTimeSasquatch@lemmy.world
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    11 months ago

    I would argue that according to this diagram, stuffed crust is in fact a sushi tube connecting to itself in a circle around the pizza.

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        11 months ago

        I don’t believe that a torus is homeomorphic to a cube, so in fact the stuffed crust is not adequately explained by the cube model. We can approximate the stuffed crust by modelling either as sushi or calzone and receive adequate results.

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          The sushi model is more robust as it more accurately defines the thermal dynamics of the stuffed crust system. A calzone model includes closed off face, while the faces can be pinched to an infinitesimal point to create a stuffed crust like pizza. Those faces still introduce a thermal graduate to the cheese and won’t replicate the results of when we cook our awesome pizza. If instead we permit the sushi model to exist in non-eucludian space we can accurately define a stuffed crust pizza with the sushi model by bending our dimensions. As a result of this the cheese-face interface is better described however it also must exclude the calzone model for describing a stuffed crust pizza.

          Thank you for coming to my bullshit TED talk.

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            I realise that we have thus far only considered the crust as a separate entity, which is of course toroidal (and for which we should evidently add a new form to the model for - I would propose the ‘doughnut’), however the full pizza with a stuffed crust is not - it has no hole. By compressing the centre of a calzone until the top and bottom faces meet we reach the full stuffed crust pizza. Perhaps we’ve been wrong all along…

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              11 months ago

              By George I think you have it! Using radial coordinates and a calzone model a pizza is toast but a stuffed crust pizza is a calzone. How could I have never seen this before?! It’s brilliant!

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      I guess the question is whether or not the exposed sides are integral to sushi or not, and I think they are. It’s like the ‘how many holes does a straw have’ all over again Edit: nevermind they said slice. So yes, definitely sushi. Although the jury is still out on a full stuffed crust pizza, or a jelly filled donut for that matter.

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      11 months ago

      Everyone in this thread ignoring that sushi refers to the style and preparation of the rice. The rolled sushi is maki, literally “to roll.”

      • Tlaloc_Temporal@lemmy.ca
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        11 months ago

        Everyone in this thread is ignoring a lot, mostly that vastly different preparation methods van make the same structure, and the same method vastly different structures. Like pasta, which category you get depends on exactly what kind you have.

    • SinkingLotus@lemmy.world
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      11 months ago

      A stuffed crust pizza would be a calzone only when it’s still yet to be cut into slices.

      The moment a slice is removed from the whole would be when it becomes sushi.