Just want to chip in on the mobile browsers. A big issue is that webview is chromium based. So even if you use Firefox on android , you are using chromium/chrome plus Firefox.
Options on mobile would be vanadium (only on graphene I believe) or bromite (on F-droid). Bromite has its own webview separate as well , crashed my phone many years ago , no idea about it now.
On PC (Linux) I use Firefox with chromium as backup.
Also fuck brave ,why support shady bigots if you can avoid it?
Firefox on Android uses GeckoView, which is a reusable Android library that wraps Mozilla’s Gecko browser engine. GeckoView is similar to WebView in some ways, but it has its own APIs and is not a drop-in replacement. GeckoView is full-featured, self-contained, and standards compliant.
Cool, totally missed that. But the issue of running both still applies right? Double the code. Viewing a site in a app it will use the chrome one ?
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Google does not allow a third party to implement the System WebView and the GeckoView API is not compatible with the WebView API in a very meaningful way unfortunately, so this is not possible.
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Viewing websites in Firefox for Android will use GeckoView and GeckoView only.
Android System WebView is only involved when other applications (not Firefox) calls the WebView API to display web pages. (e.g. when a Lemmy app opens an external link without launching a browser).
Double the code, issues and attack surface. A lot better way to address the issue is using the same better webview for all. Many benefits by FF will be nulled by the system webview. Feels like fake sense of security/privacy.
Just want to chip in on the mobile browsers. A big issue is that webview is chromium based. So even if you use Firefox on android , you are using chromium/chrome plus Firefox.
Options on mobile would be vanadium (only on graphene I believe) or bromite (on F-droid). Bromite has its own webview separate as well , crashed my phone many years ago , no idea about it now.
On PC (Linux) I use Firefox with chromium as backup. Also fuck brave ,why support shady bigots if you can avoid it?
I was pretty sure Firefox provides a Gecko-powered webview. Maybe that has changed since I last checked.
On Android, FF uses GeckoView.
That is incorrect.
Firefox on Android uses GeckoView, which is a reusable Android library that wraps Mozilla’s Gecko browser engine. GeckoView is similar to WebView in some ways, but it has its own APIs and is not a drop-in replacement. GeckoView is full-featured, self-contained, and standards compliant.
Cool, totally missed that. But the issue of running both still applies right? Double the code. Viewing a site in a app it will use the chrome one ? " Google does not allow a third party to implement the System WebView and the GeckoView API is not compatible with the WebView API in a very meaningful way unfortunately, so this is not possible. "
https://github.com/mozilla/geckoview/issues/167
I should probably specified android webview in my original comment…
Viewing websites in Firefox for Android will use GeckoView and GeckoView only.
Android System WebView is only involved when other applications (not Firefox) calls the WebView API to display web pages. (e.g. when a Lemmy app opens an external link without launching a browser).
Exactly. So using both
What’s the problem with using both?
Double the code, issues and attack surface. A lot better way to address the issue is using the same better webview for all. Many benefits by FF will be nulled by the system webview. Feels like fake sense of security/privacy.
https://grapheneos.org/usage#web-browsing
Explains a lot also
how do you manage to?
in the last few days Firefox has started constantly crashing for me. (Flatpak and Native NixPkg)
didn’t have the same Problem?
Using ESR version , I have not seen any issues lately. On peppermint Debian based