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    10 months ago

    I’d like to see people try to remove themselves from capitalism and yet still get the necessities they require to live. It doesn’t work. Capitalism isn’t necessarily the worst form of living. Yes things are crazy expensive, even for people with money it’s not easy, and yes nobody is paid enough and people are exploited, but it’s hard to deny we have nice things, good houses, everyone has a car and a cell phone and lots of food.

    I’m not saying there aren’t a lot of problems, but it beats any other system out there. People who have tried to run their own commune away from capitalist society soon find themselves falling back into capitalistic behaviors, because that’s the best tried and true system we have going for us. And we love to hate it, but it’s a necessary evil.

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      10 months ago

      everyone has a car and a cell phone and lots of food.

      the word everyone is doing a loooootta work there, buddy

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      10 months ago

      Not only are you massively overgeneralizing, you’re plain wrong. There’s numerous examples of successful communes, the idea that they always end in failure is a myth. There’s also lots of agrarian societies that are too primitive to even classify as capitalistic, that rely on barter and lack the formal institutions to allow for the consolidation of capital.

      The naivete is also laughable. No, people do not have good houses, or any houses for that matter. Many people are forced into debt to own cars, because without one they can’t maintain employment. One in eight families in America experience food insecurity, which is a pretty far cry from having lots of food.

      Grow up and step outside of your bubble, your response reads like something written by a child.

      • Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social
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        10 months ago

        It doesn’t read like a child wrote it, just someone who’s been indoctrinated into capitalism so much that they can’t even fathom something else existing, let alone being successful.

        To me it sounds more like a layperson explaining their religion. They don’t know about other ones, insist theirs is the best, and then come up with reasons to support that.

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        10 months ago

        It’s a spectrum, really. No government is completely free market capitalist, and not even North Korea is a total dictatorship that decides everything. There are 195 countries in the world, so more or less 195 different systems currently in use.

        Here’s one opinion of how the spectrum is https://www.heritage.org/index/ranking

        What people try is freedom or less freedom. Freedom works the best but requires constant upholding to stay free.