The DeSantis administration’s latest culture war fight over a college-level psychology course is sending Florida schools scrambling to figure out how to handle the confusing standoff, with just days to spare before students return from summer break.
The quarrel puts the state’s education system back in the
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The arts, sciences, research and education are free.
Article 5, paragraph 3, sentence 1 of the German constitution. Every article I read about Florida makes me appreciate that more.
Improtantly, article 5, paragraph 3 has two senteces: " The arts, sciences, research and education are free. The freedom of education does not release from the loyalty to the constitution"
Furthermore, this freedom of “research and education” means “scientific research and education” and thus primarily prohibits the German state of deciding what is researched and thaugt at universities. There are state mandated curricula for all public schools.
Odd, because a quick search shows that early years education is not free in Germany?
“Free” in the sense that the state(s) cannot interfere with what is taught. It’s the same meaning of “free” as in “land of the free”, not as in “free beer”.
However, all public tuition (primary school, secondary school, and universities) really is free as in “free beer”. Only kindergarten and private schools aren’t.
Oh well that just sounds fucking stupid.
That’s how you get crazy religious schools teaching hate.
Not to mention, it’s also false as I doubt a school could say teach Nazism in Germany.
Luckily, article 5, paragraph 3 has two senteces: " The arts, sciences, research and education are free. The freedom of education does not release from the loyalty to the constitution"
You got me, I didn’t quote the whole thing because I didn’t think it was relevant.
Article 5, paragraph 3, sentence 2 states:
The freedom of education does not relieve [the individual / the teacher] from being loyal to the constitution.
Nazism isn’t compatible wtih loyality to the constitution. Neither is religious schools teaching hate.
See that’s more sensible.
Still there’s benefits for setting minimums in educational curriculum across a nation.
You’ve encouraged me to look into this further. Apparently, I interpreted these freedoms wrong. They seem (in my limited undestanding) to be more about research and university teaching than “regular” schools. That is, researches can look into anything they want, but teachers can’t teach whatever they want.
There are curriculums, issued by the individual states, that are binding for schools and teachers. This should’ve told me immediately that education can’t be as free as I thought.
I agree with you that there should be “minimums in educational curriculum”. There’s an ongoing debate that education should be more standardized across the states, but as it is now, even different schools within the same state have different exams that are not all equally difficult to pass.
A minimum education standard would be inclusive not exclusive like what Florida is pushing.
There’s a clear difference.
We’re clearly talking about Germany here.
No one gives a fuck what the idiots in Florida do.
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Rather than crazy religious people using the State to interfere with what is taught to everyone?
Like in Florida?
Crazy.
Almost like either extreme isn’t good.
Making education a right and leaving it up to educator’s doesn’t sound extreme.
And religious schools teach hate here in the states. No one is stopping that.
So I don’t really no what you’re going on about.
I’m literally an educator, I understand the value in a base nation wide curricula - that doesn’t mean we aren’t given freedom to focus on learners needs.
And frankly nearly everything America does is fucked up in some way or another, hardly an indictment for or against pursuing something.
Not to mention the fact that Germany apparently does have some restrictions in place shows that I’m right.
Can someone explain to me how this is legal? I literally have no idea how in America the government is allowed to take away our rights and freedoms.
The constitution was written like the federal government was more the EU than a single country. States have always been able to take away rights that aren’t specifically in the constitution, like education.
It’s a flaw, because states are not separate countries anymore, and it’s a flaw that’s being exploited hard, but preventing republicans from using that flaw would require branches of government that weren’t corrupt.
Considering the geographic, economic, and cultural differences among the states, I prefer the strong state argument. You think giving more power to the Federal government is good because you assume those in power will align with your ideals. What happens when you assume wrong and someone like DeSantis has the keys to the White House?
I’m more in the camp of we half-assed it. Strong state? Cool, let’s downgrade the federal government to “economic block” instead of “republic”. Strong federal? Great, why are we letting 50 mini-governments screw over our citizens?
Having both lets bad players point at others and declare it’s their fault.
I do think strong federal government is gonna be inevitable, because they won’t give back power they have, but I’m not cheering it on.
The writers of the Constitution never expected wealth and corruption like we have today… So they didn’t explicitly plan against it, which Republicans use as a right to do anything…
They absolutely did, they were the wealthy class and wrote the Constitution to benefit them more heavily then anyone else. What you’re seeing is that compounded by time and leftward progression. The right freaking the fuck out is because they see if they don’t correct back to 1860 they’re going to be irrelevant grumpy old men screaming at the sky for being closer then in their youth.
Maybe a war/coup would help?
Ignore me. I’m a test.
Haha, your a test!
Okay, now what?
Noted.
