You’re touching a sore topic. Hence the downvotes, many that have bought into the fediverse, believe (in a religious cult way) that its architecture won’t be taken advantage of by bad actors. Even though history has proven the opposite.
I get that cult feeling for sure. There is a lot less nuance here. I’d be curious of the average demographic because I see a lot of naivety that’s probably linked to age & experience.
That’s such a reductive sweep of a whole userbase. It’s not because you have a negative outlook that everybody has to be like you.
People are thrilled to try and build something new and people like you come and shit on them to try to recreate reddit.
At the very least, people are trying to take back a part of the internet that corporations controlled for more than a decade. So it’s normal that when a megacorp come and try to muddle the water, people are refusing that because they know their M.O.
People are thrilled to try and build something new and people like you come and shit on them to try to recreate reddit.
I’m not stopping you. If you want to re-lean the lessons of the past because you ignore those that experienced them, feel free. You can’t design a system ripe for corporate takeover and act shocked when it happens.
You are advocating for Lemmy to be exactly that, a takeover from a big corporation. This is the exact reason why people don’t want to federate with Meta.
You want to redo the same exact thing that we did 10-15 years ago, expecting a different result.
No, I am pointing out that you developed a great open system with the false idea that individuals will be in power and little to no real consideration on how to stop corporations from taking it. Lemmy doesn’t exist in a vacuum. All the problems we have in real life with corporations gaining power is true in the fediverse, but worse because there are no courts to limit their power. Make no mistake about it, if Meta is motivated enough, they will steamroll everyone else. Not that many people are going to be loyal to the platform if the content isn’t there. If the content migrated to Threads so will 95% of the user base. Defederating one-by-one is not going to stop them and will fragment and make what we have now worse. I don’t believe it’s the answer, but am happy to be proven wrong.
You’re touching a sore topic. Hence the downvotes, many that have bought into the fediverse, believe (in a religious cult way) that its architecture won’t be taken advantage of by bad actors. Even though history has proven the opposite.
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Spot on… but we have very little power to stop them, unless you are comfortable with the size of Lemmy today.
I get that cult feeling for sure. There is a lot less nuance here. I’d be curious of the average demographic because I see a lot of naivety that’s probably linked to age & experience.
That’s such a reductive sweep of a whole userbase. It’s not because you have a negative outlook that everybody has to be like you.
People are thrilled to try and build something new and people like you come and shit on them to try to recreate reddit.
At the very least, people are trying to take back a part of the internet that corporations controlled for more than a decade. So it’s normal that when a megacorp come and try to muddle the water, people are refusing that because they know their M.O.
I’m not stopping you. If you want to re-lean the lessons of the past because you ignore those that experienced them, feel free. You can’t design a system ripe for corporate takeover and act shocked when it happens.
You are advocating for Lemmy to be exactly that, a takeover from a big corporation. This is the exact reason why people don’t want to federate with Meta.
You want to redo the same exact thing that we did 10-15 years ago, expecting a different result.
No, I am pointing out that you developed a great open system with the false idea that individuals will be in power and little to no real consideration on how to stop corporations from taking it. Lemmy doesn’t exist in a vacuum. All the problems we have in real life with corporations gaining power is true in the fediverse, but worse because there are no courts to limit their power. Make no mistake about it, if Meta is motivated enough, they will steamroll everyone else. Not that many people are going to be loyal to the platform if the content isn’t there. If the content migrated to Threads so will 95% of the user base. Defederating one-by-one is not going to stop them and will fragment and make what we have now worse. I don’t believe it’s the answer, but am happy to be proven wrong.