Strawman.
What people are justifiably concerned about is pollution causing death and disease. Fuck off with this hYpOcRiSy bullshit
Fuck off with this hYpOcRiSy bullshit
I don’t even find it hypocritical… I’d be sad too if I couldn’t eat the fish… It could have at least died to fit in my belly rather than just dying for no good reason.
Or some other creature that eats fish. Every death in nature should benefit someone, ideally. 😕 Us or other animals.
Guarantee the person who made this is a vegan.
You’d hope so, the more the better for the planet
You’d think so, until you hear the rebuttals to this that never ever get brought up by the media.
What are some of these “rebuttals”?
For example that producing and shipping the pure amount of mass corresponding to the same amount of nutrition in vegan foods vs dairy/meat products is not sustainable, because plant based foods contain so much less nutrition than animal products. You have to level and destroy forest habitats to grow all these things for 10,000,000,000 people… That’s an infant amount of plants.
And a lot of foods that claim to be “good sources of protein” don’t really… contain much else, like meat does. Some are even harmful in large quantities like too much soy in your diet, especially to children.
I dunno, these are things I’ve been told. Just the messenger so take with a grain of salt. But I thought they were interesting points that shouldn’t be ignored and should be disproven before dismissed. I just have too much going on in my life to worry about researching it right now. 😓 But one day maybe!
What do you think? I think this topic is definitely more complicated than “let’s fix/save the world by going vegan”.
Personally… I’d be much more worried about native animal populations if meat is banned. Eg… take away steak at the supermarket, and you might find that people will just start hunting a lot more.
And somehow I feel like hunting is better, right? A lot more effort, but better meat, and it could be more of a business than now.
But I can’t even fathom the consequences/ramifications of game-only meat in society. You’re thinking of extinction levels, I assume.
who do you think pollutes the waters? you get 3 tries but no phone-a-friend
Mostly China and India.
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OP is minimizing an actually very important issue. They may as well work for an oil company (and they very well might)
That’s a reeeeaaaal stretch, and I think you know it lol
Seems to me more likely that OP is supporting veganism
Why?
I know it’s a meme, but is anyone actually sad for the fish? I thought we were terrified about what was happening to our food. If someone autopsied a downed cow and a bunch of toxic plastic shit spilled from their stomachs, we aren’t thinking “poor cow ate all that plastic and died.” We’re worried about our food supply.
Lots of people are sad for the fish, but they’re usually vegan
I’m sad for the fish because if they’re gone I can’t eat them, and they can’t eat the tasty little fish, and they miss out on all that lovely tasty phytoplankton…
I’m sure a lion is gonna feel really bad for a human if they choke on plastic instead of getting to feed a lion.
Lions also don’t feel bad when they kill or rape each other, they are not a great role model for morals.
I’m sad for the fish. Imaging being forced into a massive pile of others just like you while being crushed by the weight of them and suffocating to death. It’s fucked up
That has more to do with farming practices though, not plastic pollution.
The plastic pollution is also sad, but not as sad imo
Global catastrophy will never be as emotionally convincing as individual suffering. Why empathise with more when you can sympathise with less.
The fishing is sadder to me because it’s intentionally causing unnecessary harm. I can see why accidental harm might be sadder though, and it is very sad either way. Systemic injustice and global catastrophe both need to be addressed though obviously
Consuming for survival is not unneccesary harm. All complex life takes life to continue living.
The vast majority of humans can thrive/be healthy on a vegan diet, therefore it’s not consuming for survival. That’s an excuse or ignorance (again, for the vast majority of humans, especially those who are reading this. There are always exceptions tho)
Mmmmm smoked kippers. 🤤
I don’t get why meat eaters have to make cunt responses like this whenever someone expresses concern over the welfare of animals. And I’m a meat eater
Because I loooooooove the taste of kippers. 🤤
Or… You’re a cunt. Gottit
They didn’t say anything unusual. Smoked kippers are delicious. We have some of the most amazing meat and fish on this planet and that’s something to protect. Our food matters.
Lol OK.
I do have some level of sympathy for the fish but also recognize I’m a little more sympathetic to non-human life than most people. I can’t bring myself to kill insects without a good reason (except ticks and mosquito) not even ants. Whenever my parents would cut down a tree on their property I grieve for the life of the trees lost just because my dad fell off one as a kid and has a subconscious hatred for them now (yes he even admitted to me this was the case) I even feel some guilt about cutting grass and mulching the occasional bee.
I’ve worked a seasonal job giving medical care to dairy cows, once you see just how poorly farmers treat them and how horrific their short lives are its hard not to feel bad for them. Farmers make standard animal cruelty cases look like mild neglect by comparison. The only blessing is that modern cows have been selectively bread to become so docile as to be almost braindead.
I’m cool with eating animals, the cycle of life and all that, but in trade we can at least try to give them decent lives that aren’t so fucking awful from birth to death. Like it or not even fish have some level of intelligence and most likely emotional capacity. same with farm animals, trees, mushrooms, insects, and probably even the microorganisms to some degree. To think we are special and the only feeling lifeforms on the planet out o billions just cause the thinky thinky parts of our brain are a little bit bigger than most is just stupid and a very human-centric idea that strokes our own collective ego in a manifest destiny kind of way.
Yes I know I’m wierd but maybe the world needs a few people like me who care a little too much about non-human suffering.
You’re not weird bro, you just have empathy. I agree with you
You don’t have to feel bad for cutting grass. That’s grass its entire evolutionary skitch, albeit naturally with being grazed instead of mechanically cut.
Grass survives cuts extremely well. Most of its mass is below ground. By thriving in areas that are frequently grazed / cut, it outcompetes other plants. Natural meadows without grazers quickly turn into forests. But tree saplings don’t survive being eaten, so whenever there are grazers (or human cuts), grass outcompetes trees.
That might just be the weirdest turnaround. You can’t hurt a fly, but you’re okay with a cow being bolted through the brain because they’re a bit tastier than mock meets?
Like, you can’t be “sympathetic to animals” if you’re paying an industry that mass slaughters them. Especially when you’re only paying that out of simple preference. I sure hope you don’t find humans tasty, because it sounds like you’ll set aside all of your morals for a yummy lunch?
It is sad and gross in a way that’s hard to pin down. I can find nature both beautiful and delicious at the same time.
If a fish die of plastic, you probably eat plastic while eating fish
Don’t think there is any probably anymore. You are eating plastic no matter what.
Might as well leave the cheese singles wrapped while you eat it; you’re getting the plastic anyway.🤷🏻♂️
Wait, you guys have been unwrapping them?
Then we die of plastic
We’re not just eating tons per day, we’re eating about 430-ish metric kilotons per day.
Yeah, everything just sounds bigger on the metric system though
A metric ton is 40lbs more than a ‘long ton’
How many per day are replenished then?
Maybe the latter has something to do with the former. Fish die from plastic; no fish to eat.
This made me cry
Give a man a fish, you feed him for a day.
Kill a man’s fish with plastic … you don’t feed that fish to him.
Dredging nets over the sea bottom, destroying all underwater habitats to squeeze 5% more fish out of the ocean: I sleep
Cute turtle with its leg stuck in a six-pack ring: real shit
Both are bad
Well done
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I <3 the micro plastics in my body ✨️✨️
It’s like additional electrolytes!
People here are talking about fishes as our food source but what about fishes as a food source for other aquatic life? Or other animals that feed on those marine life? The effects can be far reaching. So the implication of a fish dying from plastic is a bit more complicated than what OP’s making it out to be
We can avoid eating animals though
#govegan
that doesn’t stop either of the problems.
easily solves the first one and helps with the second one as discarded fishing nets are a large source of plastic in the ocean
lots of people have gone vegan. the problems are still getting worse.
Don’t know if trolling or just stupid
what i said was true.
Now I know what you do: you are shitposting inside a shitposting community! If that’s what lemmy has become, I don’t want to be part of it anymore. Sad.
Cant get down bc some anti vegan bad faith internet comments. You always get these guys on any platform
bye
I think what you’re missing is that they want everyone to go vegan. I think that’s the point.
I’m not on any side here, just pointing out where I think you walked off the trail (in the very beginning).
this commie guy is an obvious troll, but props for trying to explain
calling me names doesn’t make what I said untrue
not everyone is in this Lemmy thread.
That’s okay, it was only intended for you…
Any fish that dies from plastic is dying from a method that isn’t me eating it. Also, there’s lots of fish I don’t eat that I’m not cool with dying to plastic. I really like the ocean plants that make all the oxygen I breath too.
Dredging for your fish kills most ocean plants.
It’s weird. I don’t like most fish, but I really don’t have an ethical problem in general with eating fish as long as they were harvested sustainably. Unfortunately, most of the saltwater fish I have enjoyed over the years- shark and swordfish steak, cod, tuna- are not harvested sustainably, so I don’t eat them. That pretty much leaves me with farmed trout and catfish, the only two other fish I like. And I just don’t feel like it’s the same as eating a cow or a chicken. Maybe I don’t have any actual scientific basis to go on, but fish are just so different from us and so much more primitive that it just doesn’t bother me.
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Thats why I’m a pesca-pescatarian, I only eat fish that eat other fish. (joke stolen from Silicon Valley)
It’s not stolen. It’s an homage!
I love sushi. I’m going to have all you can eat next week and I’m gonna eat so much I shit myself. It’s gonna be fucking awesome.
Lol.
