why do lemmy users hate the use of emojis ? - eviltoast

I’m a heavy emoji user, texting is such a poor medium for communication, many times people get the wrong message, but with an emoji you’ll get an idea of the face I’m making, so less chance of misunderstanding

I noticed that every time I add an emoji to a comment it gets downvoted, so I tested my theory, wrote a comment without an emoji, got upvotes, went back and added an emoji, got downvotes…

On Reddit people use emojis a lot, on Lemmy I NEVER saw anyone use emojis, my account is new but still for the time I spent here, I never saw the use of emojis

So, is it just me, have you noticed this small detail ? and do you miss emojis the way I do ? 😭

  • baduhai@sopuli.xyz
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    1 year ago

    On Reddit people use emojis a lot

    I find this really funny. I used reddit for about a decade, and I remember redditors absolutely hating emojis. Reddit really changed, in the time I used it, and rarely did it change for the better.

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      1 year ago

      I also remember a lot of hate for emojis on Reddit. Or maybe it’s just the communities I frequented. But, most of the hate I saw linked them to Twitter and a dumbing down of discourse. I have the same sort of reaction to them, but I also recognize that they are becoming normalized in discourse and I really shouldn’t have such a negative reaction. Some day, we’ll probably have some make their way into formalized English and you would be considered weird, archaic and backwards for not using them. Consider how we now see the use of the words “thee” and “thou”. Those used to be normal, but people got lazy and just started using “you” everywhere, despite it being the “wrong” usage. Now, it’s just normal.

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        1 year ago

        V😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 We Are Anti-Normie old man🧓 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😹👻🇵🇸🇺🇸😭😈😡🦅🍑🍑🍑🍑🍑🪠🪠Vvv

        /s

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      1 year ago

      When the Redditpocalypse started and we all came this way, someone made a post about this very thing. I still stand by my statement that day (which I paraphrase):

      I don’t care about emoji’s enough to whine until it’s excessive. Reddit’s insistence that one “😀” is the end of the world was pants-on-head-stupid. Use emoji’s all you fuckin’ want, but if you start putting 3+ in 1 comment I’m going to prep a straight jacket for the person.

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      1 year ago

      I didn’t really use Reddit until 2020. People hated emojis there the 3 years I was around. I don’t think the majority opinion on that changed

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    1 year ago

    For me personally, it annoys me when emojis are used as a lazy replacement for language and it quickly deteriorates into 🥺🥺😭😭😢😭😭😰😰🙏🙏🙏 sort of bullshit.

    In other communication I sometimes throw in a single smiley face because I’ve been told that middle aged women in particular interpret messages as passive aggressive if I don’t.

  • tanja@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    1 year ago

    Honestly, as long as you’re not going for a clickbait-like thing with lots of 😂, 😭, and 💀, when is not really justified, I don’t really see an issue.

    Personally I’ll use ✨, ☺️, 🌸, and 🥺 regularly in my comments as I think they’re cute 🥺✨

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    To me, using default face emoji gives off the same kind of vibe as still having the setting that adds “Sent from my iPhone” to the footers of your emails enabled. Or driving around a car you’ve purchased with the car dealership branding badges and license plate covers on it. Or using a laptop with all the factory stickers still on it. It signals a kind of “this is fine” lack of care or concern by allowing your own expression to be polluted by pre-canned expressions from a corporation.

    Here you have a short list of milquetoast, approved-by-committee standard-issue emotion pictographs. Only the most broadly applicable ones. Perfectly weaponizeable for some airplane food communication by some brand on Twitter or Facebook. And people look at these and go, “Look! That one’s sad! I’m sad! These emojis really ‘get’ me! I’m gonna use them!”

    They’re expressive, but only in the ways the platform is permitting you to be expressive. A valid counter argument would be, “Some is better than none”. But I can’t shake feeling like I’m being railroaded into communicating my feelings by approximating them into a small handful of simplified, standardized emotions. And I don’t understand how others are satisfied with that.

    Emojis only render a specific way on a specific platform, too. So if you’re using an emoji that feels like it fits your current emotion because it has a very specific, nuanced look to it, but you’re on a platform that doesn’t render them the same for every user, you’ll unwittingly send a completely different signal than you were intending, as your emoji will become mangled into some slightly different emotion depending on who receives it. The only two ways out of this are either staying inside a platform’s walled garden so you only use their standard issue emojis, or you just relegate your communication to being described solely by the broad, vague notions that the emojis represent. Both options are restrictive in ways I dislike.

    That isn’t to say that I hate emojis, or that I don’t think they can be used creatively. Ironically, in my opinion, the best uses of emoji are for when you’re using one to communicate any emotion other than the one it was intended for. Exhibit A: how 💀 has almost entirely supplanted 😂 in some circles. Usages like that are communicating more than the sums of their parts in only ways that emoji can achieve, and I find that fascinating. It almost feels like a form of social “recapturing”, taking them away from their usual stiff, corporate vibe and making them something transformative.

    It only lasts for a time, though. As the mass market clues in on it and starts to cater to it, the novelty disappears. There was a time when 🍑 and 🍆 were clever innuendo. Nowadays there’s no joke there. That’s just what they mean now. The only ones who think themselves clever or fashionable by using them in that way are doing so in shitty Facebook memes.

    The problems I have with emojis mostly only affects the face ones, specifically. The way the human mind is a hyper optimized facial recognition machine amplifies the platform exclusivity problem. Like, you can never have just a smiling emoji. You have to use this platform’s smiling emoji, the way they drew it, expressing all the little microdetails they decided to put onto it. And given how complex emotions can be in particular, the inflexibility of a standard set of face emoji to express yourself with feels significantly more restrictive than, say, not being able to find an emoji for some random object.

    Just my two cents, though. At the end of the day, if you send a message to someone, they receive it, and they understand exactly what it is you’ve sent, that’s successful communication. Send those emojis with pride if you believe they enrich what you have to express in ways words can’t. As long as you’re being understood by someone, never let anyone, especially not me, tell you how you should and shouldn’t be able to express yourself.

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      1 year ago

      That was a joy to read!

      hyper optimized facial recognition machine

      Reading a book this morning where an alien is confronting a human military commander (on screen) about an extraordinarily fraught situation.

      The alien AI translates the human’s face and body language, and gets it right, but it’s second best guess was also correct!

      “Must be the first one. No way humans can express 4 contradictory emotions with just facial muscles.”

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      1 year ago

      Well put, I totally agree, I use emojis pretty sparingly, as you said they can be useful sometimes but by and large they feel way too off for me to express my actual emotions, I use them as you say counter to their intended meaning.

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    Some of it may be an age thing, in my own case, i dislike emojis because i have no idea what most of them are supposed to mean., including the one at the end of your post. So for older folks like me, they make the post look weird, and can make it more difficult for me to understand what it is that you are trying to communicate.

    But i wouldn’t actually downvote you for it, im just more likely to ignore your post if it is overflowing with emojis.

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      1 year ago

      Additionally there’s not really a good way to enter them, especially when using physical keyboards.

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      I’m surprised you say you don’t know what the 😭 face means, since it’s just exaggerated crying. Is it because they’re too small, or that you suspect there’s some implied agreement/subtext you’re not party to?

      I can see why people wouldn’t know what something like 🍆 is used to represent, since it’s not for the intended (I assume…) use.

  • kratoz29@lemm.ee
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    1 year ago

    Imagine giving a fuck about who upvotes or downvotes you on Lemmy ☠️

    Just use whatever you feel comfortable with it, I sometimes use emojis, other times simple stuff like :) or other times this ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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    1 year ago

    On Reddit people use emojis a lot

    Really? We must have used different subs. Maybe that’s the answer, you’re the only guy from r/emojipasta or whatever to make the switch.

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    1 year ago

    Never been on Hexbear before, eh?

    Ask your admins to implement some emojis. We have them on LW, but nobody ever really use them. Just a culture thing I guess.