How did this break rule 1? Did you just not read the 2nd panel? - eviltoast
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    That’s probably exactly what happened.

    Anyway, I’m glad you reposted. This is a good point that people need to remember.

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    I don’t like this meme. Not because of the politics involved or anything, it just doesn’t make sense.

    I know it’s supposed to be a subversion of “They’re the same picture”, but now the conversation doesn’t work anymore.

    Corporate wants you to find the difference between the two pictures, not just confirm that they are indeed different. They know that.

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    Reddit is just another Israeli propaganda hole pretending to be objective and fair. All those stereotypes of the “Jews are controlling the media” sure are not being dismissed with their handling of the latest crisis information coming out. At this point I give zero fucks for Israel or funding them anything, it’s not good seeing US arms destroying innocents, and that includes our shitty foreign policy on other nations. We need to stop acting like petulant angry chimps.

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      “Jews are controlling the media”

      “The US bourgeoisie control the anglophone media and Israel is their aircraft carrier in the middle east”

      I hate how much people are able to channel antizionism into antisemitism, and how Israel actively encourages it.

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      Palestine doesn’t even possess the sovereignty they would need to be an ethnostate . . .

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      That doesn’t make a single bit of sense. Not all Jewish people are Israelis, in fact most of them are not. All Israelis are colonists and have the ability to leave to a different country at any time.

      In contrast Palestinians have nowhere else to go because they are a colonized people trying to live on land that is being stolen from them while being bombed and shot every day. Even before Oct. 7th this has been the case.

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        Not all Isralis are colonists. There were people living there before the borders were drawn who were not forced to leave, those people and their descendants are native Isralis.

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    Just weird how Japan, Korea, France, Sweden, Ethiopia, China, Turkey, India, Russia, Ukraine, Germany, Denmark, South Sudan, Iran, Iraq, Sudan, Nigeria, Rwanda, Morocco, Palestine, Italy, Greece, Syria, Lebanon, Austria, Croatia, Moldova, Pakistan, Nepal, India, Thailand, Yemen, Kuwait, Kazakhstan, Laos, Vietnam, Ireland, Armenia, Serbia, Uganda, etc…

    …are all states created as a homeland for a particular ethnic group, yet only one ethnic group is criticized for it. 🤔

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      LMAO what a horrible take, not even one of those countries originated in a similar way to Israel 💀

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        Even if you take his statement as true it’s essentially arguing that historically genocides have happened and therefore Israel should get free rein to do one.

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          Its the exact same as when we talk about Police brutality and chuds say, ‘what about black on black crime’

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          Even if that argument was viable, I would argue Israel’s genocide starting less than a century ago makes it much more imperative to act against it.

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      Germany is 40 countrys in 16 trenchcoats and contains even in its today borders more than just one ethnic group.

      Also Russia??

      INDIA???

      Dude…

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        Israel is just as ethnically diverse as those you’ve listed. Druze, Arabs, Armenians, Bedouins, Samaritans, Turks, etc. in a nation of less than 10 million.

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          Yet only one ethnic group is represented in government and holds all legislative power and uses it to create a system of Apartheid

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      Wow, this definitely is the most insane claim I have seen in the last 3 months at least.

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      only one ethnic group is criticized for it

      China had received international condemnation for the treatment of Uyghurs (recently) and other groups (historically). Rwanda’s treatment of minorities was pretty big news a while back. I don’t think you’d need to look too far for coverage on the treatment of recent immigrants in the EU.

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        China had received international condemnation for the treatment of Uyghurs

        Most Muslim countries do not condemn it. Most countries that are cool with bombing muslim countries condemn it. Curious.

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            He says it’s ok to torture Muslims because other Muslims also torture Muslims and are OK with it or don’t care, so we should all be OK with it as well, or at the very least not care about them. Perfectly sound logic, you see.

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              No, what he’s saying is almost every Muslim country has sent investigators to China, and not one has found evidence of torture or abuse.

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              Not a man, stop assuming everyone on the internet is a man.

              The Muslim countries who send delegations claim there isn’t a genocide. The people who historically have used Muslim extremism to destabilize countries and then bomb the shit out of their local population leading to hundreds of thousands or millions of casualties still claim that China’s anti-extremism program was genocide.

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            The Muslim countries who send delegations claim there isn’t a genocide. The people who historically have used Muslim extremism to destabilize countries and then bomb the shit out of their local population leading to hundreds of thousands or millions of casualties still claim that China’s anti-extremism program was genocide.

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            The Muslim countries who send delegations claim there isn’t a genocide. The people who historically have used Muslim extremism to destabilize countries and then bomb the shit out of their local population leading to hundreds of thousands or millions of casualties still claim that China’s anti-extremism program was genocide.

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          I’ve got a book about the history of trains, but I’ve not seen anything about this. Any idea what I’m doing wrong?

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          Im not your friend guy, and nah the onus is on you to give me a source that says every state you listed is an ethnostate, not just say, ‘rEaD a hIsToRy bOoK’

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                Well you edited your comment that said we were friends, now I have to edit mine.

                What’s your source for the original claim that Israel is an ethnostate?

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                  Israel passed a controversial new “nation-state law” last week that’s sparking both celebration and fierce debate over the very nature of Israel itself.

                  The law does three big things:

                  It states that “the right to exercise national self-determination” in Israel is “unique to the Jewish people.”

                  It establishes Hebrew as Israel’s official language, and downgrades Arabic — a language widely spoken by Arab Israelis — to a “special status.”

                  It establishes “Jewish settlement as a national value” and mandates that the state “will labor to encourage and promote its establishment and development.”

                  source

    • ThatFembyWho@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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      ITT people queueing up to justify antisemitism.

      Jews have been the scapegoats of the world’s problems for thousands of years. All of these people taking their sanctimonious “pro-Palestinian / anti-Zionist” stances are literally descendants of antisemitic ideology which is deeply rooted in Christianity, Islam and European politics.

      They will say Israel stole land. But ignore how many other countries exist because of thousands of years of violent conflict. Can we talk about ethnic cleansing not only during, but after WWII where people of German ancestry even if they had no blood on their hands, were raped, massacred and driven out of certain countries and blanket pardens were given so “they weren’t war crimes.” Yet everyone accepts these countries and their current ethnic makeup.

      I stand by my position which is that in our current global political system, the ability to occupy and defend land is the determining factor of sovereignty and almost all of us benefit directly from past atrocities. And that has been the case throughout history.

      If we want a better world, and I’m all for that, we have to begin with honesty and self-reflection. Piling on one country/group is a distraction and won’t solve anything.

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      Jewish people aren’t an ethnic group any more than Christians, Muslims, Buddhists etc.

      Judaism is simply a religion.

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        You are 100% wrong. The word “Jewish” has a dual meaning and you’re ignoring the more relevant one. Try consulting a dictionary sometime. Or talk to a Jew about what it means to be Jewish.

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        In order to be Jewish your mother needs to be Jewish. Converted Jews are widely shunned by the Jewish community.

        Anyone can convert to those other religions without needing a certain ethnicity.

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        We absolutely are. Defining Judaism as a religion alone is ignorant and christocentric.

        Judaism has always been a people of a singular national identity, defined by common origin, language, history, sense of identity, culture, folklore, music, clothing, cuisine, etc.

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          Judaism has always been a people of a singular national identity

          No. National identity is a relatively modern idea for any group of people. Being Jewish is being part of a culture, not a nation.

          The person you’re responding to is an ass but you’re swinging too far in the opposite direction.