Google is embedding inaudible watermarks right into its AI generated music - eviltoast

Google is embedding inaudible watermarks right into its AI generated music::Audio created using Google DeepMind’s AI Lyria model will be watermarked with SynthID to let people identify its AI-generated origins after the fact.

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    1 year ago

    What if an AI writes a song about its own experience? Like how people won’t take its music seriously?

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      It will depend on whether or not we can empathize with its existence. For now, I think almost all people consider AI to be just language learning models and pattern recognition. Not much emotion in that.

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        just language learning models

        That’s because they are just that. Attributing feelings or thought to the LLMs is about as absurd as attributing the same to Microsoft Word. LLMs are computer programs that self optimise to imitate the data they’ve been trained on. I know that ChatGPT is very impressive to the general public and it seems like talking to a computer, but it’s not. The model doesn’t understand what you’re saying, and it doesn’t understand what it it answering. It’s just very good at generating fitting output for given input, because that’s what it has been optimised for.

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      “I dunno why it’s hard, this anguish–I coddle / Myself too much. My ‘Self’? A large-language-model.”

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      Language models dont experience things, so it literally cannot. In the same way an equation doesnt experience the things its variables are intended to represent in the abstract of human understanding.

      Calling language models AI is like calling skyscrapers trees. I can sorta get why you could think it makes sense, but it betrays a deep misunderstanding of construction and botany.

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          It is not a measure of validity. It is a lack of capacity.

          What is the experience of a chair? Of a cup? A drill? Do you believe motors experience, while they spin?

          Language models arent actual thought. This isnt a discussion about if non organic thought is equivalent to organic thought. Its an equation, that uses words and the written rules of syntax instead of numbers. Its not thinking, its a calculator.

          The only reason you think a language model can experience is because a marketing man missttributed it the name “AI.” Its not artificial intelligence. Its a word equation.

          You know how we get all these fun and funny memes where you rephrase a question, and you get a “rule breaking” answer? Thats because its an equation, and different inputs avoid parts of the calculation. Thought doesnt work that way.

          I get that the calculator is very good at calculating words. But thats all it is. A calculator.

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              Personally, I choose to believe that the people around me are real. In theory, you can’t trust anyone but yourself. I know language models don’t have humanity. I guess that’s the difference.

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                You only have thoughts because of electricity.

                Do you believe in the existence of a soul or some other god-gene that separates us from machines?

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                  No one said anything about electricity. A calculator can exist on paper, or stones on sticks.

                  No one said anything about souls. Please dont make up shit no one said.

                  I am not an equation. I do not take X input to produce Y output. My thoughts do not require outside stimuli. My thoughts do not give the same output for the same input. I can think, and ambulate and speak, inside a dark room with no stimulus based entirely on my own thoughts.

                  Chatgpt, and other language models, are equations. They trick you by using random number generation to simulate new outputs to repeat inputs, but if you open the code running the equation and learn how to fix the rng to a set value, you get the same outputs for each input.

                  Its not thought. Its an equation.

                  I am not saying non organic thought isnt possible. I am saying that a salesman pointed at a very very very big calculator and said “it definitely thinks! Its more than an equation!” And you, along with a lot of news outlets, fell for it.

                  We do not have machine brains yet. Someone just tried to sell calculators as if they were.

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                    I mentioned electricity because it’s how our brains function identically to machines. It doesn’t have to be electricity, as long as the results are identical to intelligence.

                    No one said anything about souls. Please dont make up shit no one said.

                    If you don’t believe in something that separates life from machines, then there is nothing stopping us from manufacturing a machine that has identical processing capabilities as our own.

                    I am not an equation. I do not take X input to produce Y output. My thoughts do not require outside stimuli. My thoughts do not give the same output for the same input. I can think, and ambulate and speak, inside a dark room with no stimulus based entirely on my own thoughts.

                    Yeah, this is where you’re wrong and I can understand why you think you’re different than AI. I guess you came up with your language all on your own. I guess you developed all of your ideas without outside stimuli. Heck, you aren’t even being shaped by this conversation right now. Lol.

                    I am not saying non organic thought isnt possible. I am saying that a salesman pointed at a very very very big calculator and said “it definitely thinks! Its more than an equation!” And you, along with a lot of news outlets, fell for it.

                    We do not have machine brains yet. Someone just tried to sell calculators as if they were.

                    We can agree on this. Keyword is ‘yet’.

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            Oddly, I’d find a piece of music written by an ai convinced it was a chair extremely artistic lol. But yeah, just because the algorithm that’s really good at putting words together is trying to convince you it has feelings, doesn’t mean it does.