And I’m thinking, all things being equal, putting a metal roof over my cargo area would just add weight anyway. I guess it’s not built for towing like my 1-ton is, so maybe that’s a weight savings, but it’s also not built for towing which would make it unusable for most farmwork.
What I’m starting to realize is that despite Americans seemingly being car-first in so many facets the entire narrative around the humongous cars seems to be to have a one-size-fits-all car that is supposed to do everything. Wanna carry manure? Pickup truck. Wanna carry kids to school? Pickup truck. Seemingly want to drag a plow? Pickup truck.
A person with what we’d call a “farm”, or at least a person in a rural area who has animals and plants vegetables in a field (I also think the concept of “farm” is different) would instead have different, cheaper vehicles for all of those. A small tractor head, or a big tractor if you have a lot of land and it’s worth the money, then a van, then a small car, then Jeep or a Range Rover if you need to go offroad and tow a lot.
Do Americans in rural areas just have a different pickup for each person working there instead? That seems insane.
I was honestly not thinking this conversation would reveal one of the biggest challenges to visualize the logic of a different culture I’ve had this week.
Oh, we have tractors, all right. I could take a picture for you out in our equipment yard that would have 60 tons of tractors in it. I think the scale of this all might be where the disconnect comes from.
When I say, “pick up chem” I’m talking maybe a couple of 1000L totes that would be forked on the back, and that’s just a makeup order because I was short on foliar fert during spraying, the main part of the order came on a semi-trailer. They aren’t going in a van, even something like a Sprinter, which I’d be surprised if it’s any more fuel efficient than a pickup. When I pull a trailer, it’s a 30’ flatdeck gooseneck, perhaps with a 7630 tractor chained to it or a 25’ horse trailer with 16 steers on it. I’m going to drive those to an auction market 150 km away, and while I’m gone, the other people on the farm need to do similar things, so yes, we all have trucks because picking and choosing which vehicle you take to hope that it’s the right size when you get out in a field to do something, and realize you needed to grab a pickup is silly. We don’t spend money (and the imbued energy implied) on 4 sizes/types of vehicles that might just barely do the job that particular time.
We usually get 8-10 Europeans staying with us over the summer on workstay programs and even the rural ones have no concept of how farming is done in Canada and the US, and come away with a completely different view of farming life here. I’d say you would be surprised and might come away with a different opinion than what you’ve experienced yourself.
I know you’re contemptuous of us and how we do things, but perhaps it’s the same thing you’d find yourself doing if you dealt with the same challenges.
I actually fully agree that scale is a big part of the disconnect here. Even where I’m from, people in rural areas from the north and south are talking about wildly different scales when they talk about “farming”. Hell, for my standards, the scope you describe doesn’t count as “farming” at all, it’s a full-on industrial exploitation. May as well call an Ikea factory an “atelier”.
This isn’t news to me, in that I’ve been around all those places enough to understand the difference between their respective scales, but I’ve crucially not actively done work in the others. I have no idea of the kind of use cases that would justify a fleet of pickup trucks rather than specialized vehicles. I know that no size of exploitation chooses to go that way locally, nationally or eeven continentally, so there are definintely alternatives. I don’t know that I’d say I’m “contemptuous”, though. More “amusedly snarky”, perhaps.
Also worth noting that the post I was originally responding to was specifically bemoaning that they couldn’t find smaller pickup truck options, so I doubt they were worrying about that type of haul.
They don’t care. You can say that you make a living using a vehicle that works for you, for good reason, and that you prefer it to alternatives. And their answer will be “No, you don’t.” Their head is that far up their own ass. So much so that you are now involved in industrial exploitation, apparently. Top hat and monocle, too, I’m sure.
And I’m thinking, all things being equal, putting a metal roof over my cargo area would just add weight anyway. I guess it’s not built for towing like my 1-ton is, so maybe that’s a weight savings, but it’s also not built for towing which would make it unusable for most farmwork.
We have tractors for that.
What I’m starting to realize is that despite Americans seemingly being car-first in so many facets the entire narrative around the humongous cars seems to be to have a one-size-fits-all car that is supposed to do everything. Wanna carry manure? Pickup truck. Wanna carry kids to school? Pickup truck. Seemingly want to drag a plow? Pickup truck.
A person with what we’d call a “farm”, or at least a person in a rural area who has animals and plants vegetables in a field (I also think the concept of “farm” is different) would instead have different, cheaper vehicles for all of those. A small tractor head, or a big tractor if you have a lot of land and it’s worth the money, then a van, then a small car, then Jeep or a Range Rover if you need to go offroad and tow a lot.
Do Americans in rural areas just have a different pickup for each person working there instead? That seems insane.
I was honestly not thinking this conversation would reveal one of the biggest challenges to visualize the logic of a different culture I’ve had this week.
Oh, we have tractors, all right. I could take a picture for you out in our equipment yard that would have 60 tons of tractors in it. I think the scale of this all might be where the disconnect comes from.
When I say, “pick up chem” I’m talking maybe a couple of 1000L totes that would be forked on the back, and that’s just a makeup order because I was short on foliar fert during spraying, the main part of the order came on a semi-trailer. They aren’t going in a van, even something like a Sprinter, which I’d be surprised if it’s any more fuel efficient than a pickup. When I pull a trailer, it’s a 30’ flatdeck gooseneck, perhaps with a 7630 tractor chained to it or a 25’ horse trailer with 16 steers on it. I’m going to drive those to an auction market 150 km away, and while I’m gone, the other people on the farm need to do similar things, so yes, we all have trucks because picking and choosing which vehicle you take to hope that it’s the right size when you get out in a field to do something, and realize you needed to grab a pickup is silly. We don’t spend money (and the imbued energy implied) on 4 sizes/types of vehicles that might just barely do the job that particular time.
We usually get 8-10 Europeans staying with us over the summer on workstay programs and even the rural ones have no concept of how farming is done in Canada and the US, and come away with a completely different view of farming life here. I’d say you would be surprised and might come away with a different opinion than what you’ve experienced yourself.
I know you’re contemptuous of us and how we do things, but perhaps it’s the same thing you’d find yourself doing if you dealt with the same challenges.
I actually fully agree that scale is a big part of the disconnect here. Even where I’m from, people in rural areas from the north and south are talking about wildly different scales when they talk about “farming”. Hell, for my standards, the scope you describe doesn’t count as “farming” at all, it’s a full-on industrial exploitation. May as well call an Ikea factory an “atelier”.
This isn’t news to me, in that I’ve been around all those places enough to understand the difference between their respective scales, but I’ve crucially not actively done work in the others. I have no idea of the kind of use cases that would justify a fleet of pickup trucks rather than specialized vehicles. I know that no size of exploitation chooses to go that way locally, nationally or eeven continentally, so there are definintely alternatives. I don’t know that I’d say I’m “contemptuous”, though. More “amusedly snarky”, perhaps.
Also worth noting that the post I was originally responding to was specifically bemoaning that they couldn’t find smaller pickup truck options, so I doubt they were worrying about that type of haul.
They don’t care. You can say that you make a living using a vehicle that works for you, for good reason, and that you prefer it to alternatives. And their answer will be “No, you don’t.” Their head is that far up their own ass. So much so that you are now involved in industrial exploitation, apparently. Top hat and monocle, too, I’m sure.