I hope this post fits the content and format of this community, if not I’m sorry.
I’m just incredibly shocked by the fact that an admin of the instance lemmy.dbzer0.com is openly supporting Hamas.
Here’s a link to the comment: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/61235665/23634712
The posted comment never represents one side as “good”. It correctly identifies one side as resisting imperialism and colonialism, while acknowledging its lack of perfection.
There is no excusing rape and murder of civilians. You can’t handwave such atrocities as imperfection
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You’re posting hasbara again, and what’s more is it’s “every accusation is a confession” shit with a growing mountain of evidence that Israel military forces like the IDF and IOF use sexual violence to terrorize Palestinian civilians as well as incoming aid workers trying to help starving children.
Please stop re-perpetuating this harmful and wrong misinformation.
I don’t support Israel or IDF, they can go suck a bag of dicks lol
But surely you can acknowledge that the rape and murder of civilians isn’t resistance?
why is it so hard for yanks to understand that both things can be bad
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I am not endorsing Hamas as the legitimate leadership of Palestine. But I am saying that there is no credible evidence of rape and murder of civilians “as resistance.” You are perpetuating a harmful zionist talking point uncritically and it does the work for who you claim not to support for them. The world is filled with enough injustice to speak truth into the world about how genocide and the starving of children is wrong without doing what you’re doing here.
Hamas raped women during the 7th of October and sexually assaulted hostages. There was also the whole massacre thing during the 7th of October where the terrorists filmed themselves shooting elderly in their homes.
These guys have no argument except calling everything Hasbara, it’s such a shit show.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_and_gender-based_violence_in_the_October_7_attacks
Since they know they have no ground to stand on, they default to base programming.
I think it’s a sunk cost fallacy, they can’t handle considering that not everything is so black and white and that resistance movements may not always be the ‘good guy’ – They’re in too deep.
Yeah ambiguity is hard. Defaulting to campism is easy. Israel bad, Palestine good, Hamas good, Tankies happy. I just wish some of the self proclaimed Marxist would actually be able to think dialectical.
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Dishonest to the end
Do you have any substantial argument or do you always call common knowledge “Hasbara” if it doesn’t suit your narrative?
“Imperfect resistance” ahhh, the classic terrorist supporter dog-whistle.
Much like MAGAs “novel legal theory”
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Your argument is circular and inane.
Try engaging substantively.
I genuinely don’t think you know what either of those words mean if you think they apply to what I said.
You are describing terrorists by using normatively loaded language to make them sound like just little guys trying their best and making little mistakes. It’s disgusting.
Israel is a terrorist state that calls as terrorists those who challenge its ambitions of occupation, apartheid, and genocide.
Being vilified by Israel is not one and the same as being fundamentally wicked.
Correct. And Hamas is a terrorist organization.
Imagine both of this can be true!!1
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Hamas is labeled terrorist because it was assigned the label by Israel.
Hamas is terrorist only as much as one terrorist entity is credible to decide exactly which groups or factions are terrorist.
More generally, terrorist simply is a label states assign to their non-state enemies.
By the same standards, the Continental Army would be terrorist, as would be essentially every belligerent that has engaged in anti-colonial struggle.
Regardless, it should be concrete facts, not abstract labels, that are used to support arguments and conclusions.
False. Hamas is labeled terrorist for performing acts of terrorism.
Once again, your argument is circular and inane.
You are begging the question, of the particular acts and the reasons for their being characterized as terrorist.
The fact is that Israel labels Hamas as terrorist, because doing so functions in service of its state interests. However, Israel has no credibility, and all of its claims should be strongly scrutinized.
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the problem with tankies like that admin is that they never stop with the moral relativism. and their support of Palestine is not borne out of concern for Palestians, otherwise they wouldn’t have supported Assad’s ethnic cleansing campaign which was so brutal, you’d think it as something Israel would do. alas, they support “anti-imperialists” whose moral compass and politics are practically indistinguishable from that of Zionists
to give you a more practical example, no one can deny that Azov is correct in fighting Russia. that doesn’t automatically make them valiant and brave anti-colonial heroes just because the Ukrainian people are fighting a war of national liberation. some groups are bad no matter how dire their local context is.
Great analogy. Insisting that the azov legions are nazis that oppress ukrainians is pretty much taking the side of the invader and genociders.
You guys are the thing you despite the most.
You have no business complaining of someone else allegedly relying on a straw men.
Much of the problem is that you assume others follow your own narrow method of thought, by which every facet of the world is cast along thin and fixed lines separating good versus evil.
are my moral lines too thin and fixed or are you simply too apathetic to stop fencesitting? i know the watchers at home know the obvious answers, stay tuned for the evening news 📺
You are being dishonest, simplistic, and obscurantic.
I find no value in further discussion.
Goodbye to you and your army of absurd little straw men.
I’ve personally visited Palestine, I’ve spoken to Palestinians, my family are Zionists (I’ve heard their arguments plenty). This is a personal issue for me, additionally I don’t believe I have ever made a comment on Assad. There is nothing immoral about opposing the Zionist regime.
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bitch i know people who died
piece of shit
Anarchists are not tankies.
Also, the reason some leftists supported Assad was a hope to hasten the collapse of US imperialism, which causes massive death and suffering around the world. Criticizing such a stance as misguided is credible only if accompanied by a comparably critical stance against the even more deadly abuses of US imperialism.
anarchists arent tankies but Lenin Glazers like the admin irrefutably are.
there isn’t a single anti-Assad anarchist that wouldn’t also critique the US. nice try, maybe leave the strawman arguments at the door next time
The posted comment never mentions Lenin.
You are being deliberately dishonest.
Also, you are the one who just now presented not one, but several straw men.
When did I imply that “there [is] a single anti-Assad anarchist that wouldn’t also critique the US”? Again, you are being dishonest.
It is on topic, dude. Lenin and tankies are closely related, so are anarchists being tankie glazers.
It breaks your own rules against derailing threads, and your defense is little more than a word salad of unsubstantiated dogma.
Anarchists are the strongest critics of authoritarian tendencies of leftism. Anarchists were targets of some of the earliest repression after the October Revolution, and Kropotkin famously fled the Soviet Union as an open and caustic critic of Lenin.
Anarchists by nature are the strongest critics of any authoritarianism because anarchism entails opposition to all authority.
Your failure to distinguish between anarchists and authoritarian leftists is ignorant and absurd.
Anarchists aren’t strong critics at all lol
You can’t even condemn Hamas, who are authoritian in itself.
You don’t know or care about historical and actual facts.
You don’t listen, or argue honestly.
Of course we criticize Hamas, but we also support their struggle to liberate Palestine from occupation, apartheid, and genocide.
Again, I cannot help if you are unable to parse the nuance, instead of continuing to perceive a conflict.
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I’m not being dishonest, I’m just not coddling your feelings
What an absurd defense.
Once again, you deflect with an accusation that is completely unsubstantiated, an obvious non sequitur.
an obvious non sequitur is your mom loving you
It is, and you have failed consistently to achieve any thoughts more dignified or substantial.
Your righteous attitude is a transparent sham to hide your buffoonery.
hey be nice to mothers