I hate it here i cant stand it anymore literally almost everyone is an misanthropic orc with some kind of ranking of which kind of people are worth to live and which need to be bombed into civillazition by the “glorious democratic west”. You cant even discuss genocide like the one happening in gaza with liberals here because they love their “both sides” so fucking much to the point where when you ask “is genocide bad?” they say to be in the grayzone. The west has no passion, no humanity left. The propaganda is so thick and it is everywhere not only on screens but in the air we breath it has become part of us. 90perent of the people here dont care about the genocide happening in Gaza or openly support it…the 10 percent are mostly immigrants and some westerners who have achieved to escape this dystopian propaganda campaign. Somebody needs to bomb this place. There is no way around it, we western leftists dont have and will not have enough popular support for our own revolutions. Please president Xi Jinping, export the evolution and bomb us, i dont even care about dying…i will simply wrap myself in my USSR flag and peacefully explode to pieces knowing that what comes after cannot be worse than what we had before and that the people are finally truly free, not only my but the people of the entire world.
Dear Xi Jinping, bomb the west, we need it, we deserve it and it would do a favor to the entire world honestly.
thank you for coming to my TED talk.
The revolution can’t come to the West until the empire has fallen, and until the privileged position Western workers have (compared to the rest of the world) is no more.
I think it’s been clearly shown that “liberating” a country doesn’t allow for a stable socialist state.
The real revolution comes from within.
The empire is in the process of unraveling before our eyes.
Also, saying this:
Dear Xi Jinping, bomb the west, we need it, we deserve it and it would do a favor to the entire world honestly.
As if it’s serious, on a new account, feels like atrocity bait so you can post about how awful the 'grad is.
Im not atrocitie baiting, this post isnt meant to be taken completly seriously. Yes i am being negative on the current situation in the west and all but when im begging for the chinese president to bomb us im just trying to be humoric. Im sorry if it isnt funny which it probably isnt as much as i hoped for but i can promise you that i am not here to “bait” and to post it on other platforms.
Ah, sorry!
We had a post yesterday where someone posted a comment as bait, then made a post about how awful Lemmygrad is for upvoting it.
My humor meter might just be off. Sorry for missing the joke!
Its ok, maybe my post seemed a little to much
Naw, I think you’re ok!
Also there was that weird burner account some lib sat on for 4 months before making a cringe post in asklemmy a few days ago
Oh, was that shitty 10 principles “anarchist” just a burner?
Probably, the account im talking about was @Velociraptor@lemmygrad.ml that made the original post, did we get confirmation if the annoying 10 principles loser was the same person?
No, it was just the only one I saw recently. Idk who is whose alt, though 10 principles guy was in that same thread, which I forgot
I forgot about that one! They do come out of the woodwork every so often.
We had a post yesterday where someone posted a comment as bait, then made a post about how awful Lemmygrad is for upvoting it.
Missed this. Link?
I think they deleted it before the ban, this is the modlog:
Exporting revolution does not work. We will have to do it ourselves. Luckily, (the accelerationist in me) there’s no need for bombs. We’re pretty much fucked no matter what with how it’s going. Material conditions are compelling us toward a battle of domestic fascism or socialism, and fascism is not very stable, especially surrounded by global enemies. What we need to do is organize so we can be ready to take advantage and things inevitably get worse.
I completely understand your perspective, finding places like lemmygrad help me see that there are other people in the world who feel the same way. And take it from me, a liberal-left convert to communism, people can change, but they need to see the error of their ways themselves. I hate talking to libs at the mement, all they wanna do is talk petty bourgeois crap. But I hope it gets better.
Fr, had a convo w coworker and they are pretty accepting of all lefty stuff but believe everything about China and DPRK. Like for some reason our government is bad but it’s democratic…but its better than the evil place where people like living there and it somehow is not democratic… and so that’s why the CIA probably isn’t lying about them even though they are propaganda when it comes to domestic issues? It takes some real brain twisting to get to that perspective and it’s amazingly common here in the States
Yeah it’s awful. Every time I hear coworker speak about “protecting democracy” I just laugh internally.
One day Australia will have a communist revolution. Australia closer to being able to achieve this then America. With China’s help and support THE DOWN UNDER WILL GO RED
hopefully a revolution of the decolonial variety
aboriginals deserve to be in charge of that state
Yes of course!
Unfortunately China has us exactly where they want us.
We’ve made ignoring climate change and as an extension any kind of forward progress so ingrained in our culture China is easily lapping us in terms of socioeconomic advances.
In 20 years well be the ones dependant on Chinese manufacturing and China would rather have us with no choice than to continue to buy their shit as our global influence declines because we’re still setting up our society like it’s the 1980s.
Helping us help ourselves would literally be against their national interests.
I feel this. I went dating for awhile and everyone’s either an open-and-proud fascist or a secretly-fascist liberal. I hate it here so fucking much but I can’t move because rent is through the fucking roof. As soon as I get the chance to, i’m going to leave and i’m never going to come back.
i personally think that western leftists have the responsibility to help the communist cause in the countries they live in even if a revolution is highly unlikely…somebody needs to do the dirty work and if every leftist from the west would immigrate to another country than the chances of socialism will go from 0,01% to a straight zero. It is hell here i agree but i wont use my western privilege to immigrate to Vietnam and abandon the socialists in the west just because i personally cant stand the current politics and want to immediately live under socialism. That although is my opinion and if you really want to live elsewhere i wish you all the best and that you will soon have the possibility to do so.
My desires and the reality are two different things, I realize that. I’m needed where I live and having to deal with everyone being a nazi is just the penance I gotta put up with for living in a colonizer country where I get huge advantages just for existing. Socialism isn’t overnight.
Stumbled upon this thread. Is this how most of lemmygrad.ml feels?
Its obviously a shitpost, rant, whatever. Begging Xi to liberate the west is just following up the mainstream media narrative that China wants to wage war, yare yare. Some find it funny, i myself dont.
Also it is pretty dumb to ask if if this is how we ALL think, as if this is some kind of monolithic group of people. While all of the members are left-leaning, not everyone is actually marxist-leninist, each and every member is at their own stage of learning and struggling with their own contradictions.
im sorry if i am further spreading this narrative, i didnt mean to. This was supposed to be a shitpost with the whole “begging Xi to bomb us” but it seems to be more serious than that. I apologize
You’ll see most of the lines in this shared in jokes or memes, but no one in the 'grad seriously thinks that China is interested in attacking the U$, or directly wants the death of innocent colonized people that would entail.
The general sentiment, that the political entity of the U$ needs to be fully destroyed, and that Westerners are incredibly blinded by propaganda, is largely shared here.
If you’re not interested in seeing stuff from the grad, you should be able to block the few communities we post in pretty easily.
Maybe not so doom and gloom, but in general I think I can safely say that we agree with the broad point of this post. The west is so fully up its own ass and desperately needs a revolution, yes. I don’t think that revolution can come from externally though. It’ll be a long slow process, with the exploited periphery gradually liberating itself and the borders of the empire gradually contracting.
I have literally zero faith in the settler majority. I’d sooner believe y’all will go straight-up fascist before (with a major ‘if’ appended) you’ll ever, ever take a truly progressive or egalitarian turn. I believe y’all would sooner kill your subjects-of-empire before y’all would ever liberate them. If I had the mass amounts of liquid resources necessary, I’d seek political asylum elsewhere. Y’all are lost causes to me, and I see nothing to be gained from putting my life on the line for those who’d never do the same for me.
depends but from what i can say…most of it i guess
this thread was made by the doomer western leftist gang
Yes and no. I think most people on lemmygrad have at least gone though a doom and gloom phase at one point, at least for us converts (Came from left liberalism, found communism, made a lot of sense to me when I broke through the propaganda bullshit, but felt like I hit a wall because anti-communism is so effective in the west).
If you stick around you will find a lot of good discussion with nuance, thought provoking ideas, and possibilities for positive change. But yeah, it’s harder to do that than to just look at the world with disgust.
I’m going to go out on a limb and say nobody wants to die in nuclear fire.
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then appealing to somebody famous for committing one.
Can you expand on this?
Are you able to engage in a rational conversation where you apply your beliefs in a consistent manner, and do not handwave genocidal actions based on weather you consider the person committing the genocide to be good?
You and I are not going to come to an agreement on what we consider a rational conversation.
I don’t think you’ll be able to present proof of the “Uyghur Genocide” that doesn’t directly spring from the actual CIA (NED/RFA) or Adrian Zenz, though.
For the record, what we’re seeing come from Gaza is what an actual genocide looks like - horrific violence and refugees.
The purported Uyghur Genocide is not only wholly lacking in documentation and refugees, but the Chinese government’s actions are supported by much of the Muslim world.
The only people touting a genocide of Muslims in China, are the crackers who love nothing more than to see Muslims die.
Do you really think the “Muslim world”, whatever that means, is a good source for humanitarian issues?
Right now, Palestinians are indeed victims of genocide, and both Jordan and Egypt are are resistant to take refugees. How does this track with your logic?
Do you really think the “Muslim world”, whatever that means, is a good source for humanitarian issues?
You are a racist.
Right now, Palestinians are indeed victims of genocide, and both Jordan and Egypt are are resistant to take refugees. How does this track with your logic?
They’re acknowledging a Bad Thing is happening, and are not congratulating the zionist entity.
You said the Uighur genocide is lacking in refugees, as if a certain quantity of refugees is required for something to be a genocide. So I pointed out: around Israel, majority Muslim countries are explicitly avoiding taking Gazan refugees.
What is “the Muslim world” you were referring to? I think it’s quite racist of you to treat them as a monolith and onboard the assumption that they are somehow the arbiters of Justice towards all Muslims of any ethnicity across the planet, as if there’s zero internal division between them.
taking palestinians as refugees means they can never go back because the zionists won’t ever let that happen, no matter how much they pretend it’s temporary now.
Yes, and? Palestinian refugees still want to flee to Egypt, that is why they are queuing up and attempting to cross the border. Egypt doesn’t want them there. What does that say about Egypt?
Do you really think the “Muslim world”, whatever that means, is a good source for humanitarian issues?
What a fucking chauvinist. “Only white states can instruct on the proper treatment of Muslims. Muslim countries are barbaric.”
if you’re talking about the “Uyghur genocide”, go ahead and provide some actual evidence (e.g. anything even remotely close to the level of evidence that exists for the ongoing genocide of Palestinians); obscure satellite photos and testimony from a dozen people with ties to the US government are not evidence
As expected.
- You immediately insist personal testimony is unacceptable to you
- Your username is a reference to mass starvations, because apparently you find that funny
- The user in this post is “jokingly” begging for mass eradication of the planet
This reminds me of a different group of people who also like a country with a red flag
- Ah, you seem to have missed the “with ties to the US government” part; don’t worry, I realize it’s a lot of text, you can try reading it again when you have some free time. I assume you’re not defending the US government considering it’s the most murderous entity in human history
- Which mass starvations? It’s not a reference to the 1943-44 Bengal genocide, if that’s what you mean
- You might not know this, but if you look at a world map, the imperial core is actually a relatively small part of the planet
Your username is a reference to mass starvations, because apparently you find that funny
It’s a joke about crank theories promoted by people like Goebbels about the famines being deliberately engineered, which are rejected even by mainstream neoliberal historians but lovingly embraced by
Obviously the historical famine was a great tragedy, but that does not mean fascist lies deserve respect.
EDIT: For context, this was in response to a banned troll who would not stop fishing for the answer to ‘so what should be done with settlers?’ Like I don’t know how that game’s played by now, tuh…
Oh good, your “debate me debate me” headass came here too; crackery never fails to impress with the lengths it’ll go to to nonconsensually drag people into “tHe MaRkEtPlAcE oF iDeAs”.
You’re never getting an answer to your question from me either, cracker. I know your kind’s games way too well by now to know all you’re doing is fishing for a “gotcha!” to go all “OUUUUUUUUUU, OUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU” about to your little fascist-ass cracker friends; and I’m half tempted to go over-the-top and obviously-hyperbolic about it… But I also know that’s just giving contemptible little assrags like you exactly what you want.
True Scotsmen inbound…
You think we’re gonna accuse OP of not being a real communist to satisfy your pearl-clutching fetish, to distance ourselves from their Amerika hate?
It’s a joke. “President Xi, I am an eight year old girl from Wisconsin suffering under the tyranny of the terroristic Biden regime. Please send tanks and bombs and liberate us. Thank you.” Are you so dense as to take this sort of mockery as a serious request?
“True Scotsman inbound…” looking ass. How do you not get embarrassed looking at yourself in the mirror?
.OP could joke (do you know what that is?) that they wish Satan himself would emerge from hell and consume Amerika whole and I don’t think anyone here would be like “that means ur not a real communist!!!” But you don’t know how to interact with people outside of the context of pseudo-intellectual logic-fetish arguments, do you? Muh no twue scotsman! Muh ad hominem! Muh wuhboutism!
Fuck off and shave your neck.
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Shut up.
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I should probably clarify: I mean it when I say shut up.
Actually no. please do continue to waste your time, please do continue to write comments.
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OP is fine, wtf are you talking about?
I need the west to burn, only after serious decolonialism will it be worthy of communism. You cannot build communism in a settler colonial regime.
but not every western country is a settler colonial regime. They engaged in colonialism and some are engaging in neo-colonialism but the people themselves have not stolen the land they inhabit. You cannot decolonize Portugal from Portuguese people because Portuguese are indigenous to Portugal. But you can decolonize Angola from the Portuguese because the Portuguese colonizers aren’t from Angola. What you mean here is the US, Canada and Israel which are all Settler Colonial countries whose dominating demographic are not from this land but originally from Europe.
