What are easy to present criticisms of mainstream outlets like BBC and CNN? - eviltoast

While it is easy to use phrases like “use critical thinking”, this is not easy for elders or cousins in families to be told, as this is not lucid to understand in a snap. It is essential for criticism to be easily communicable to ordinary people that watch Google Feed or MSN News daily, and I feel that such criticism is not even easy to access or read, considering ordinary people have been cornered from MSM, YouTube, Twitter, Facebook and rest of Big Tech and Western media apparatus.

If you love your BBC and CNN feeds, avoid this post, this is not for you.

    • plumbercraic@lemmy.sdf.org
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      6
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      1 year ago

      Yeah that’s kinda weird. The BBC is not out their intentionally doing bad journalism at an institutional level, but I’m sure it happens. It’d be good to learn about these cases and their causes.

        • Bernie Ecclestoned@sh.itjust.works
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          5
          arrow-down
          1
          ·
          1 year ago

          The difference is that the BBC is openly using a US funded Australian cyber expert as a source.

          The story is about Chinese state funded influencers not operating openly.

          Can you not see the difference?

          What’s happened to Hong Kong press freedoms since China took it back?

          • TheAnonymouseJoker@lemmy.mlOP
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            3
            arrow-down
            4
            ·
            1 year ago

            USA calls Australia its Deputy Sheriff in Asian region, and has a military base where Australians are prohibited from entering. Australia is a vassal state of USA. I wonder if there must be a conflict of interest, especially with Australia’s balls tightly clutches with ASPI funded by US weapon manufacturers.

            Can you not see the problem?

            Do I even have to elaborate on Council of Foreign Relations, Bilderberg and Murdoch media, USAGM outlets, NED funded news and media outlets, NGOs, “independent” presstitutes? Do I have to elaborate on Julian Assange?

            Hong Kong is still higher on Freedom Index than USA. Freedom and democracy are in no way tied to Anglo neoliberal dictatorship democracy model.

            • Aurenkin@sh.itjust.works
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              3
              arrow-down
              1
              ·
              1 year ago

              Come on, mate. Hong Kong’s freedom index score is 42, USA is 83, Australia is 95 (source). At least try and avoid making things up if you want to seem like you’re having a good faith discussion.

              Does that mean USA and Australia don’t have problems? Of course they have problems, big ones even, you mentioned some genuine problems here in your comment. That’s not the issue at hand though. Nobody is claiming these countries are problem free. It’s you who is claiming certain news outlets are untrustworthy propaganda pieces. You made a claim, got a reasonable response and now it seems you are gish galloping.

              It’s starting to feel like you have an agenda though to be honest. I personally find your assertion that people who love BBC/CNN are incapable of criticising them quite unhealthy. We can and should be critical of things especially things we are fans of.

              • TheAnonymouseJoker@lemmy.mlOP
                link
                fedilink
                arrow-up
                3
                arrow-down
                6
                ·
                edit-2
                1 year ago

                > you are gish galloping.

                I can see why its futile to talk to westerners. I will talk to someone and then someone like you will come and shit all over like a crow and fly away. Brandolini’s Law takes effect and people like us are forced to spend 10x the effort to correct misinformation.

                Hong Kong used to be at #3 while USA was at #17. How come the very day Hong Kong gets freed of UK colonialism after more than 90 years, and implements National Security Law to protect itself, its “freedom” drops down? Is being a vassal state or colony of UK/USA the marker of freedom in these indexes? If so, the index seems to be a marker of how much of a western bootlicker a country really is, making “freedom” just a brand name with no worth.

                It is a well established fact that Hong Kong “protest” was a CIA manufactured riot. Even Ted Cruz went to cheer rioters. What if a major Chinese politician went to USA to cheer Jan 6 insurrection? All of you would screech blackboards over it.

                • Aurenkin@sh.itjust.works
                  link
                  fedilink
                  arrow-up
                  2
                  arrow-down
                  2
                  ·
                  1 year ago

                  Hong Kong used to be at #3 while USA was at #17. How come the very day Hong Kong gets freed of UK colonialism after more than 90 years, and implements National Security Law to protect itself, its “freedom” drops down?

                  I think this would be useful for you to reflect on.

                  Also Wikipedia has a great article on Gish galloping if you’re in a country where you can access that.

                  • TheAnonymouseJoker@lemmy.mlOP
                    link
                    fedilink
                    arrow-up
                    2
                    arrow-down
                    6
                    ·
                    1 year ago

                    I doubt you can be saved. West needs to fall and doom beyond recovery and be unable to exploit rest of non-Anglo world, so that morons like you are forced to act in line.

                    I think it is better for me to not engage with a dishonest manipulative white saviour. And I can read anything I want from India, and could use VPNs in China, Russia, and all the places western circus clowns call bad.

      • christophski@feddit.uk
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        4
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        1 year ago

        Seems that you have a strict view of how someone should “love” something. Not everyone is like that. I read the BBC and fully appreciate it but I am very open to any and all criticism of it.

          • Big P@feddit.uk
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            1
            ·
            1 year ago

            Is it not possible to consume a variety of different media outlets and form your own opinion based on the information available across the spectrum rather than decided to blanket ban specific news outlets?

            • TheAnonymouseJoker@lemmy.mlOP
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              2
              arrow-down
              3
              ·
              1 year ago

              Possible but only if you are honest with yourself and not see yourself tied to “preserving Anglo empire” and are not their parrot. What you feed your brain, you become that. So by constantly viewing all of the global news media, out of which roughly 90% is Western media controlled by handful groups (NED/CIA, Bilderberg, Murdoch and CFR), you will see the same bullshit but differently phrased across 90% of the entire global media you seek to consume to form your own opinion, and end up not forming your own opinion. You will see the 2% Chinese and Russian media as not representative of majority of news, where majority of news is already invented by West to manufacture consent from you to act as their mindless parrot.

              • w2qw@aussie.zone
                link
                fedilink
                arrow-up
                1
                ·
                1 year ago

                Can you suggest good places in your opinion to get news on the Chinese/Russian situations?

                • TheAnonymouseJoker@lemmy.mlOP
                  link
                  fedilink
                  arrow-up
                  2
                  arrow-down
                  5
                  ·
                  1 year ago

                  In order of difficulty and depth: Hakim, The New Atlas, The Deprogram, Silk and Steel Podcast, Revolutionary Left Radio