As far as I understand it, if the proposal was voted on and lost, there’d be a cooldown period for a certain time before they’re allowed to resubmit the same thing. The people pushing this are using a loophole of sorts where they retract the bill when it looks like it’s not going to pass and then resubmit it later with slight alterations. It’s an attrition tactic; they only have to win once whereas we have to repeal it every time.
I’m not too familiar with EU politics, but is there a constitution, and if so, is it possible to amend it to explicitly grant a right to privacy in communications to permenantly block attempts?
The EU has treaties which serve as a constitution of sorts – duties, powers, and limits of the EU, and its legal relationship with its member states. These treaties are signed by all member states and together make up the EU’s constitutional basis.
New treaties are signed every now and again with the purpose of amending, extending and redefining previous ones.
There’s e.g. the Maastricht Treaty (1997) which laid the ground work for a single currency and strengthened the power of the European Parliament (each member state has a number of seats and the representatives are elected nationally by a public vote).
The most recent one is the Lisbon Treaty (2009), which among other things, again, shifted the power balance in the EU in favour of the Parliament. It also strengthened EU’s position as a full international legal personality. Other changes were to make the union’s Charter of Fundamental Rights legally binding and to explicitly allow a member state to leave the union.
True, but the EU member states are members of it, and while complicated, ECHR rulings are generally respected by members and the EU. Why make things simple, right? :-)
This is one of the things I don’t get about any of this shit - if we were talking about physical items, letters, a hard landline, physical art, written medical information, etc. this would require a warrant, court order or whatever. Why the fuck is digital anything viewed as a free-for-all by govts, AI techbros, data brokers et al. How do they not understand that just because something is ‘digital’ it doesn’t deserve the same protections as before?!
The situation is all kinds of messed up, capitalism also has a great deal to do with it. Problem is, that you as an individual will be known as stealing copyright material if you simply copied it, whereas someone/something else like AI would be treated entirely differently.
It kind of does look like a capitalist utopia with the rule breaking ai and all, authoritarianism being the other prevalent power.
I truly believe our politicians are out of touch. Either because they themselves are too old or because they dont understand the underlying concepts.
What truly upsets me is understanding things like USBs and HDDs still exists. So if someone wanted to share “illegal content” completely “offline” it’s already possible to do so. How does scanning everyone’s personal “letters” help track down people sharing “illegal content” hand to hand.
My colleagues and I never stopped encoding everything important before committing it to a digital context. We have never trusted the powers that be not to grab for more power and control.
I don’t understand how this keeps coming up.
Do we need to go back to physical written letters?! Or do governments want access to all our correspondence both physical and digital.
As far as I understand it, if the proposal was voted on and lost, there’d be a cooldown period for a certain time before they’re allowed to resubmit the same thing. The people pushing this are using a loophole of sorts where they retract the bill when it looks like it’s not going to pass and then resubmit it later with slight alterations. It’s an attrition tactic; they only have to win once whereas we have to repeal it every time.
I’m not too familiar with EU politics, but is there a constitution, and if so, is it possible to amend it to explicitly grant a right to privacy in communications to permenantly block attempts?
The EU has treaties which serve as a constitution of sorts – duties, powers, and limits of the EU, and its legal relationship with its member states. These treaties are signed by all member states and together make up the EU’s constitutional basis.
New treaties are signed every now and again with the purpose of amending, extending and redefining previous ones.
There’s e.g. the Maastricht Treaty (1997) which laid the ground work for a single currency and strengthened the power of the European Parliament (each member state has a number of seats and the representatives are elected nationally by a public vote).
The most recent one is the Lisbon Treaty (2009), which among other things, again, shifted the power balance in the EU in favour of the Parliament. It also strengthened EU’s position as a full international legal personality. Other changes were to make the union’s Charter of Fundamental Rights legally binding and to explicitly allow a member state to leave the union.
Laws? Rights? Privacy? Just jokes that can be revoked.
The user above was asking for info, not for snark.
There’s no EU Constitution, but there is the European Court of Human Rights.
The European Court of Human Rights has next to nothing to do with the EU.
It is an international organization operating under The Council of Europe, which again, has little to do with the EU.
The Council of Europe predates the EU and is closer to the UN in its manner of operation. It does not make binding laws.
It has 46 member states (the EU has 27) including countries such as Albania, Armenia, Turkey, and Ukraine. Russia was expelled in 2022.
What can be confusing however is that The Council of Europe uses the same flag as the EU.
True, but the EU member states are members of it, and while complicated, ECHR rulings are generally respected by members and the EU. Why make things simple, right? :-)
Again, they they are completely different organizations. It’s not a question of simplicity or complexity.
The ECHR looks to address human rights issues with the cooperation of its 46 member states.
The EU is (mostly) a trade union comprising of 27 member states.
The UN, NATO, and WTO also have many European member states and again are different organizations.
You made your point, and it was clearly understood the first time. Perhaps you don’t understand my point?
This is one of the things I don’t get about any of this shit - if we were talking about physical items, letters, a hard landline, physical art, written medical information, etc. this would require a warrant, court order or whatever. Why the fuck is digital anything viewed as a free-for-all by govts, AI techbros, data brokers et al. How do they not understand that just because something is ‘digital’ it doesn’t deserve the same protections as before?!
The situation is all kinds of messed up, capitalism also has a great deal to do with it. Problem is, that you as an individual will be known as stealing copyright material if you simply copied it, whereas someone/something else like AI would be treated entirely differently.
It kind of does look like a capitalist utopia with the rule breaking ai and all, authoritarianism being the other prevalent power.
I truly believe our politicians are out of touch. Either because they themselves are too old or because they dont understand the underlying concepts.
What truly upsets me is understanding things like USBs and HDDs still exists. So if someone wanted to share “illegal content” completely “offline” it’s already possible to do so. How does scanning everyone’s personal “letters” help track down people sharing “illegal content” hand to hand.
My colleagues and I never stopped encoding everything important before committing it to a digital context. We have never trusted the powers that be not to grab for more power and control.
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As far as I remember the only fascists who stopped causing problems were not the ones who were deposed. They were the dead ones.
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Fascists never get tired.
Everyone eventually takes the forever nap