Reports from Ukrainian intelligence, sure, not actual verified proof of erasing Ukrainian identity nor of kidnapping. Do you just trust Israel whenever it claims Hamas is torturing babies? Did you believe the story about Saddam’s forces removing babies from incubators? You need verified proof before belief.
Fair. It just feels like you are leaping to their defence.
Putin has stated numerous times though that he considers Ukraine to be Russian and downplays their national identity. And go back enough in history and you do see a pattern.
There is a degree of that, but often it’s overplayed by pro-Ukrainian people to the degree that they believe Russia is trying to ethnically cleanse Ukraine, which is wrong, and is purely justification for continuing an unpopular war that the west uses to damage Russia and carve Ukraine out for resources.
You can understand their position though surely if you an admit a degree of that.
The ethnic cleansing may not be as “unsubtle” as Israel’s, but it is there, and there is history of it, and you cannot deny in Putins own words his dislike, or rather distaste and denial of the Ukrainian national identity, harkening back to imperialistic days.
https://nypost.com/2025/11/01/world-news/ukrainian-intelligence-identified-locations-of-339-abducted-children-and-compiling-list-of-russians-responsible-tried-to-erase-their-identities/
I bet you will claim this is lies.
Reports from Ukrainian intelligence, sure, not actual verified proof of erasing Ukrainian identity nor of kidnapping. Do you just trust Israel whenever it claims Hamas is torturing babies? Did you believe the story about Saddam’s forces removing babies from incubators? You need verified proof before belief.
Hers a simple google search for you. Many sources.
https://www.google.com/search?q=ukraine+children+kidnapped&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-gb#ip=1
the Wikipedia link, yourself having linked Wikipedia earlier
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_abductions_in_the_Russo-Ukrainian_war
With the United Nations stating this is a war crime
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-64985009
https://www.ohchr.org/sites/default/files/documents/hrbodies/hrcouncil/coiukraine/A_HRC_52_62_AUV_EN.pdf
Tangential to this, I quite enjoy this young man’s recount of the conflict https://youtu.be/jlTnKYTxWOY
But I bet this is all “right wing propaganda” somehow.
You trust everything Russia says though.
No, I don’t. I trust some things that can be factually verified, but I take nothing either side says at face value.
And yet, your opinion is Russia are valiant saviours coming to free Russian speaking Ukrainians, and not the systematic destruction of Ukraine.
I’ve never once said either of those, because both are wrong.
Fair. It just feels like you are leaping to their defence.
Putin has stated numerous times though that he considers Ukraine to be Russian and downplays their national identity. And go back enough in history and you do see a pattern.
There is a degree of that, but often it’s overplayed by pro-Ukrainian people to the degree that they believe Russia is trying to ethnically cleanse Ukraine, which is wrong, and is purely justification for continuing an unpopular war that the west uses to damage Russia and carve Ukraine out for resources.
You can understand their position though surely if you an admit a degree of that.
The ethnic cleansing may not be as “unsubtle” as Israel’s, but it is there, and there is history of it, and you cannot deny in Putins own words his dislike, or rather distaste and denial of the Ukrainian national identity, harkening back to imperialistic days.