Martials don't even get anything from a 5th level multiclass into another martial class - eviltoast
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    1 year ago

    What changes have they made? I’d love to know as I’m always game to allow homebrew etc at my table (so long as I’ve read the material, everyone agrees, and we roll with it from the start of a campaign).

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      Off the top of my head:

      Changes fall into two categories:

      1. Rule Tweaks
      2. New mini-systems.

      Under 1:

      • Shove is not a part of the attack action. It is a bonus action available to all characters. Shove only pushes the target back an amount that depends on the shover’s strength and the target’s weight. It normally does not knock them prone unless they are shoved off a high ledge.
      • Weapons are given unique weapon action attacks depending on the weapon type. These can be used once per short rest only if the wielder is proficient with the weapon.
      • Removed the requirement that attacks must be made using Strength to activate the benefits of Rage.
      • Removed the requirement that attacks must be made using Strength to activate the benefits of Reckless Attack.
      • Fast Hands simply gives you an additional Bonus Action with no restrictions.
      • Haste simple gives you an additional Action with no restrictions
      • Consuming a potion is only a bonus action.
      • If a creature throws a healing potion as an action, it will break and heal all targets in a small radius.

      Under 2:

      Numerous weapons and items have systems attached to them that create or consumes various “charges” to add additional effects

      As an example, weapons and items with the “spark” ability builds Lightning Charges in the wielder when certain criteria are fulfilled.

      If 5 Lightning Charges are built up, the next instance of damage done with an attack role inflicts an additional 1d8 Lightning Damage.

      There are many more. See Here and Here

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        Bonus action shove is so good, it lets you try shoving people off of edges or into environmental hazards instead of just whacking turn after turn. Also great for spellcasters and ranged attackers, but you need to roll for it so it’s not too overpowered. Bonus action potion drinking is also really nice.

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          I love this changes and I really going to struggle to back to martial in 5e without them.

          No more I swing my sword end turn.

          Instead I use my Lacerate skill and hit with my sword. Then I use my bonus action to shove.

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      People on the same turn sharing initiative can go at the same time. Drinking a potion is a bonus action. Those are the ones I’ve incorporated.

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        It makes much sense and avoids action spamming I’ve seen at tables that let a potion be used for free. I know Crawford intended potions to be an action since they’re “bottled spells” but it results in players never using them in fights. Also less squishy PCs makes for far for entertaining encounter design (read that as additional peril haha).

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          “bottled spells”

          “Bottled spells” that don’t recharge on a long rest but instead cost an arm and a leg and heal for a pittance, basically ensuring that in the time that it takes to gulp one down you’ve already taken twice as much damage than what it’ll heal. I guess I get the idea but RAW, the potions are just awful outside of last resort to bring up downed characters (and that’s assuming your GM has no problems making an unconscious character forcibly drink them).

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            You make a real good point. The movers cost plus lack of recharge already seems balance enough for it to be bonus action worthy. Honestly, it just means encounters can be either more frequent, dynamic, or epic. Not to mention a nice way to balance players’ wallets.

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      There are quite a few, but a simple one that I’ve put into my own house rules is giving all Clerics proficiency with flails and morningstars.

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          Flails are just objectively worse than warhammers. Same damage die, but lacking the Versatile trait. I’ve played with giving flails some other sort of secondary ability but never found something that works.

          Morningstars are functionally the same as warpicks, and both lack the Versatile trait. I’ve settled on changing the morningstar’s damage to 2d4 split between 1d4 bludgeoning and 1d4 piercing to set it apart.

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            I really wish they went over the weapons for the next edition and made sure that at the very least there were no weapons that were objectively worse than another. Might want to just homogenize the weapons under some handful of archetypes that have some legitimate advantages over each other.

            I once played a cleric worshipping Loviatar so thematically I made him use whips as his weapon of choice. Roleplay-wise I loved it, gameplay-wise 1d4 damage is ass and reach allowing me to mostly harmlessly tickle the enemies from very slightly farther away is absolutely useless 99% of the time.

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              The weapon system in 5e is half-baked. It feels like someone put it in as a placeholder and never bothered to give it a second look.