These devices probably cause < .1% of fatal pedestrian accidents
Percentage is meaningless without context. The stat you’re actually looking for is pedestrian deaths per mile. And it’s probably quite bad for these vehicles because they explicitly commingle with pedestrians.
Cars don’t spend very much time on parts of roads that have pedestrians on them, and when they do, there’s signage or traffic lights to help. Cars also have lights to help drivers see pedestrians and help pedestrians see cars, and generally make a lot of noise. You get none of these benefits with personal motorized vehicles. (Well ok, a scooter probably comes with some lights, but they’re probably also small and shitty and unregulated, so they don’t really count…)
Is actually agree with that, but given how careless scooter riders are in my area in laying the blame almost 100% on them.
From what I’ve witnessed they’re often arrogant and pay little attention to their surroundings, often having close calls simply by shooting off a path to cross a road without paying attention.
I’m neutral on cars vs other modes of transport, so I’m not trying to favour one side or another, but each user or group has to take responsibility for their shortcomings, and the number of bad acting scooters is cyclists as a percentage of their respective groups is far too high.
I’d trust a car driver to be attentive more than I’d ever trust a scooter rider or cyclist.
Inattentive car drivers kill people. Inattentive scooter and cyclists get themselves hurt (in general). A world without cars is simply a safer world.
And with proper infrastructure the cyclist/scooter problem virtually disappears. People moving fast obviously have to be separate from pedestrians. If all the space wasn’t taken up by cars that would be easy to do as well.
Percentage is meaningless without context. The stat you’re actually looking for is pedestrian deaths per mile. And it’s probably quite bad for these vehicles because they explicitly commingle with pedestrians.
Cars don’t spend very much time on parts of roads that have pedestrians on them, and when they do, there’s signage or traffic lights to help. Cars also have lights to help drivers see pedestrians and help pedestrians see cars, and generally make a lot of noise. You get none of these benefits with personal motorized vehicles. (Well ok, a scooter probably comes with some lights, but they’re probably also small and shitty and unregulated, so they don’t really count…)
While we’re wildly speculating I’m going to guess that most e-scooter crashes are caused by a car running them over.
I don’t get the comingling thing. Where I live they’re on the bike lanes. Is that uncommon?
Not everywhere has bike lanes and then they are on the sidewalk, not to mention most laws allow them to be on the sidewalk or bike lane if they exist.
Hm, well, that’s an infrastructure problem. I definitely think they should be in the bike lane.
Is actually agree with that, but given how careless scooter riders are in my area in laying the blame almost 100% on them.
From what I’ve witnessed they’re often arrogant and pay little attention to their surroundings, often having close calls simply by shooting off a path to cross a road without paying attention.
I’m neutral on cars vs other modes of transport, so I’m not trying to favour one side or another, but each user or group has to take responsibility for their shortcomings, and the number of bad acting scooters is cyclists as a percentage of their respective groups is far too high.
I’d trust a car driver to be attentive more than I’d ever trust a scooter rider or cyclist.
Simply from my own observations.
Inattentive car drivers kill people. Inattentive scooter and cyclists get themselves hurt (in general). A world without cars is simply a safer world.
And with proper infrastructure the cyclist/scooter problem virtually disappears. People moving fast obviously have to be separate from pedestrians. If all the space wasn’t taken up by cars that would be easy to do as well.