Parenting under capitalism is a fuck - eviltoast
Huge rant

I am not anti-natalist at all and I am not making a case for such reactionary ideologies here. Just sharing what I have seen so other folks and point my mistakes or just listen.

I am witnessing the older cousins of my generation in the family have and raise kids and it is a little bit terrifying. I am talking about two couples of parents, each with one child. The older kid is about 3 years old and the younger one is about 1 year old.

The older kid does almost nothing but throw tantrums all day. It is near impossible to make them do anything they do not want to do. For example, making them sit down in their high chair and eat the food they are being fed is a Herculean task. The child has to be distracted somehow. Two things that I saw that work:

  • Put on YouTube videos on an iPad. These videos are like crack-cocaine for a child’s brain BTW. The creators are highly incentivised to make the videos as addictive as possible to boost their ad revenue.
  • Have someone play with them. The kid seemed to like me because I was new to them and I made them laugh, so they would sometimes allow their parents to feed them as long as I played with them.

The other child, who is a year old, is starting to exhibit similar behaviour. In the morning and afternoon, they are looked after by their grandparents. Their grandfather is responsible for feeding them. The grandfather is a boomer addicted to cable TV news and the stock market. (Cable TV news in India is BTW extremely garbage and inflicts incalculable amounts of psychic damage. There are no words to describe how bad it is.) As he feeds the child, the child sits on his lap watching the TV while being spoonfed. On the other hand, if the child is sitting on a high chair with no distractions, they refuse to eat even as the one who feeds them talks to them. The child does drink milk from the bottle without fuss so I am not sure whether they are in a descend towards problematic behaviour or not.

I don’t have the knowledge or experience to confidently say whether things have to be this way or not so I don’t want to jump to passing judgement on the child’s parents and definitely not on the child. Maybe it is just how it is. Maybe children just throw tantrums while being subjected to feeding. Maybe TV or YouTube videos have nothing to do with it. I admittedly do not like technology as it is sold to us so my cynicism definitely comes a biased standpoint.

Mostly it got me wondering though how there are no public services to help with parenting, which is a foundationally important task for not just the well-being of society, but also perpetuating it. For example, I was wondering if crack-cocaine-tier addictive YouTube videos for children are detrimental to the child’s growth and the overall experience of parenting. This is the year 2023 and I am pretty sure god knows how many tens of thousands of work-hours must have been put into researching issues like this. To find out, I can try using a search engine and hope to god that I don’t get ratfucked by dishonest or just low quality articles that have been pushed to the top of the results through SEO. If I am savvy, I can try searching directly for research on something like Google Scholar but very few people are capable of this. (Not even me.) I found a pediatric psychologist who has made it her life’s work to extol the vices of electronic media addiction on children. She sells books and courses on this which makes me trust her a little bit less since she profits off of it. She could be a charlatan feeding off of technophobe parents’ paranoia. There are pediatric associations in every country but their findings and recommendations don’t reach the masses. I have heard some advertisements from my country’s on the radio. But they are few and far between and not in-depth at all. This kind of knowledge is still mostly passed from parents to their children instead of being rooted deeper in collective scientific findings.

Electronic media, social media, and their effects on the brain and habits is something that I am maybe overly sensitive about. My brain has been fried by a combination of anxiety and social media addiction to the point that I really struggle to read books because of being attention deficit. The children’s parents and grandparents are also hooked to their phones and TVs. But since they are comfortably upper middle class and with generational wealth, they do not introspect their habits and life choices because having wealth in a capitalist society means you are doing good so you don’t need to change what you are doing. The only things you can do better are what will net you more wealth.

Lastly, the parents don’t seem to find it problematic that they don’t get the chance to spend much time with their child even if they wanted to. All these parents are employed and working, so they work most of the day and delegate childcare to the grandparents and nannies who are poor and underpaid. One of the mothers, did not even get paid maternal leave despite working at one of the biggest private hospital chains. She had to quit the job and find a new one when the child was just six months old. I feel like if I had a child, I would want to take care of them almost full time at least until they are a year old and likely even older. It feels terrible to delegate childcare to an underpaid servant.

I don’t have a larger point to make because I was just ranting. I don’t feel qualified to hold strong opinions in this realm. Parenting I feel is always going to be tough. I cannot imagine it being programmatic and straightforward to raise human beings with all their complexities. The problem for me is that there are no public institutions to try and make this easier. Parents are left to their own devices, like getting their child hooked to addictive YouTube video channels, or finding an underpaid slave that ends up spending more time taking care of your child than her own to be able to put food on the table, or maybe paying for an expensive private daycare so you can slave away and the execs at your company can buy their seventh yacht.

  • HerbalGamer@lemm.ee
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    1 year ago

    I got two paragraphs in and can tell you the kid probably tests positive for ADHD (:

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      i disagree, not having focus, be unquiet and throw tantrums are common behavior for toddlers since their brains didn’t yet learned how to deal with frustration and stress, this is why is hard to diagnosis infants with anything.

      the problem is that parents for a number of motives (generated by capitalism ofc) don’t know how to deal with this behavior nor have the patient or time to it, like sole mothers, so they surrender to electronics, i saw for my myself with my nephew, it work miracles in stopping tantrums and distracting, the same way they don’t handle stress, they don’t handle youtube cartoons, they are all stupid with exploding bright colors with the sole objective to capture the toddler’s attention and literally hook the kid since they get money from watch time, this is ends up heightening those common behavior and turning it to a problem which make the child dependent on eletronics.

      i hope a certified psychologist appers in here to explain better, my reading in the subject is quite low ans i don’t know how to walk the line to criticize modern midia without looking like reactionary talk.

      • loathsome dongeater@lemmygrad.mlOP
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        i don’t know how to walk the line to criticize modern midia without looking like reactionary talk

        Not related to sounding reactionary but I get dismissed out of hand as if I am a Luddite if I try to bring up that there could be adverse effects of reliance on YouTube Kids and such. The parent thinks every child is as restless as theirs and there is nothing to be done about it. I am not sure of my hunches but I kinda know what I don’t know and am willing to admit it. This kind of humility is absent from the parents.

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          To make matters worth, YouTube has apparently been relaxing their inappropriate content moderation, specially on shorts. It has happened a lot of times, mostly when I’d search for something kid-adjacent (specially cartoons and anime), so I believe the hornyposters are aware of it and doing it intentionally.

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        I hope a certified psychologist appers in here to explain better, my reading in the subject is quite low ans i don’t know how to walk the line to criticize modern midia without looking like reactionary talk.

        Not a certified psych, but iirc there’s basically no amount of screentime that’s recommended before something like 4.

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          thanks for the info, comrade.

          i was thinking about a deeper discussion about psychological issues, child psychology, behavior and etc.

          and link with the current fad of giving prescriptions to everyone. the latest edition of that manual of psychological issues (i forgot the name) loose the diagnoses process to a point that anyone can get a diagnose and prescription, because of lobby in science, pill are being sold as candy

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            I think you’re thinking of the DSM V.

            I kind of think it’s the opposite paradigm, actually, capitalism has everybody fucked up so badly in the head that they’re desperately slinging drugs to patch over the symptoms.

            Like, drug lobbies totally play a huge role, but it’s hard to deny that things are fucked up enough that people are having to seek medication in the first place.

            And sure, kids media & YouTube are super corrosive, but those kids are sitting in front of those tablets because their parents are traumatized and burnt out from surviving, or because the caregivers the parents have been forced to rely on are inadequate.

            You might be interested in Gabor Mate’s The Myth of Normal, if you’re thinking about how capitalist society destroys kids before they have a chance.

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        i hope a certified psychologist appers in here to explain better, my reading in the subject is quite low ans i don’t know how to walk the line to criticize modern midia without looking like reactionary talk.

        I am not a psychologist, but Reactionaries only attack the technology itself and falsely claim that the progress of technology by itself is the problem, failing to (or even refusing to) realize Capitalism is to blame for the problems associated with technology. The real problem is how Capitalism affects the current technology; Capitalists seek profit over everything else, so they will use technology to do exactly that.

        Technology has so much potential to bring a better future, but it is held back and used inappropriately under Capitalism.