Why were dinosaurs huge? - eviltoast

I mean, why evolution selected dinosaurs to become that huge?

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    At that point in Earth’s history, the atmosphere was a lot more oxygen rich than it is now! This allowed all sorts of creatures to grow to immense sizes, like trees, insects and dinosaurs. Dinos like Brontosaurus probably grew large for the same reasons Giraffes did too. The best greenery is the one no one else can get to!

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          1 year ago

          Yeah, but what do giraffe women think about it?

          Unless you’re talking about circumference? Then maybe walrus women or elephant seal women should be consulted

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        In general no traits are selected for by feeding or whatever, if you can produce offsprings you’re it. Sexual attractiveness > easier to get food.

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            1 year ago

            Why eat when you can just spawn, fuck and die. Like that mouthless butterfly or moth can’t remember.

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              The moth still eats a shitton in its larva stage. You can’t cheat physics 😂.

    • Modern_medicine_isnt@lemmy.world
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      Not sure you got the oxygen part right. But I can say that since trees and animal breath each others exhaust, they won’t both thrive due to atmospheric oxygen concentration.

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    The vast majority were not! Larger animals are more likely to be fossilized, so our fossil record is biased toward larger animals.

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    First, not all dinosaurs were huge. It’s not a trait of dinosaurs in general. Rather, the environmental factors in the past and some factors that are true for reptiles, allowed being huge as an acceptable evolutionary niche, more than today!

    Why would some of them grow so big:

    In evolution, it’s always a bit of a hen and egg problem. And there is between species competition called “Red Queen Hypothesis”.

    So a likely explanation is that, due to high CO2 atmosphere, plants grew larger which lead to having a long neck or being tall being an advantage. And for carnivorous species bigger herbivores meant that being bigger is an advantage. That, again, meant their prey had pressure to grow bigger (and/or faster), and so on and on.

    How could some of them grow that much:

    Dinosaurs are reptiles, so they were poikilothermic. Since temperatures have been higher and more stable at their time, a bigger body allowed to keep body temperature stable as well. It doesn’t cool off as fast which allowed more activity which allowed eating more which allowed a bigger body.

    There was also significantly more oxygen in the atmosphere which is associated with bigger growth in all species since our metabolism depends on it.

    This is especially true for Arthropoda btw, some of them were huge in the time of dinosaurs because they breath through their exosceleton. The biggest centipede found (yet) was 2.5 m long! The difference in size between insects in the past and insects today is much bigger than between reptiles today and in the past. All due to bigger plants and more oxygen and the interaction spiral between prey and predator.

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    At first I interpreted “huge” as “immensely popular”. I thought you were surrounded by idiots who aren’t impressed by dinosaurs lol

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    Being big is advantageous as long as the animal is able to find enough food to sustain itself. Food was plentiful at the time, so dinosaurs grew quite large.

    In modern times, most mega fauna is gone because Humans hunted them to extinction.

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      Even before humans drove them to extinction they were nowhere near dinosaur sized though.

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      Big game hunters driving the giant lemur to extinction bothers me most, I think. I’d love to see a lemur the size of a gorilla.

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    They weren’t all big, but anyway, they (probably) evolved like giraffes to reach for food and as protection against physical damage from predators. The climate was also different and they had plenty of food.

    Anyway, evolution does not select. It’s not survival of the coolest features… it’s only reproduction of those that manage to reproduce.

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      Um, yes, evolution does select. That’s the whole point of evolution.

      • toasteecup@lemmy.world
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        It selects the fittest, yes. The comment above you was saying it doesn’t select coolest or specific creatures, just ones most adapted.

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        There is no evolutionary selection. Only creatures fucking. Sometimes it isn’t selective.

  • Ð Greıt Þu̇mpkin@lemm.ee
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    Hollow bones and in some cases spaces within their bodies that were just filled up with air. The end result being that dinosaurs were a lot lighter than their frame would suggest, which is what allowed them to get so big in volume.