Reminder that Nutomic has posted transphobic comments publicly calling trans women "biological males" while denying the existence of transphobia in the government - eviltoast
    • terusgormand8465@lemmings.worldOP
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      Yes, they are one of the few people who make big decisions when it comes to the development of Lemmy, and if they do it with bias they can cause problems for the rest of us. Especially since Sublinks is basically dead, no new development happening there. Lemmy is all we have right now, so we’re stuck with it until something else with a Lemmy-compatible DB comes along.

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    Pushed by the Bourgeois? Gosh I wish. The reason why trans people have rights is due to years of activism and science. (And the warning power of the church)

    The Bourgeois have been trying to stuff us down forever. You saw how fast some corporations dropped their LGBT flags at the first sign of trouble. They don’t care about it

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      Even were it true, which it is not, that the ruling classes push LGBTQ+ acceptance, Nutomic’s argument would be ignorant at best and dishonest. Either they don’t know of all the historic instances in which those in power have played both sides of an issue against each other in order to divide potential opponents or, more likely, they are willing to selectively overlook it to justify their prejudices.

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        in other words, it’s true that it’s a distraction, but it’s a distraction in the opposite direction from what tankies like nutomic say. it being a distraction is not a reason to abandon your trans allies, it’s a reason to protect them from the hoardes of haters who don’t readize they act as class traitors when they attack our trans brothers and sisters

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          You’re 100% right. It’s ts a distraction insofar as it serves to quell the movement. The bourgeois elite gave these protections to queer people out of a singular desire to protect their capital interests. If they can mandate gay marriage is legal and suddenly capital is sharing pride month celebrations and the revolutionary intent behind the push for trans rights and queer liberation is stifled.

          We got gay marriage, what’s there to be militant about?

          It’s a distraction from the inherent oppressive system that has the ability to marginalize people in the first place.

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        It’s not even “both sides” necessarily, to me that sounds a bit too elaborate for the rather dumb forces at play. It could be just “whichever side is more economically/politically useful at the moment”. After years and decades of LGBT activism, companies turned to LGBT acceptance to give themselves a more tolerable human face (after someone else has already done the work of humanising LGBT, but the companies want some of that aura). When they feel that it’s not politically profitable anymore, they just switch back to homophobia. Case in point: Musk who used to tell people not to buy his cars if they don’t support LGBT.

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    He thinks the bourgeoisie is a monolith and “pushes” things in agreement instead of their actions and ideologies being caused by their various material interests, often at odds with each other.

    What zero systemic analysis does to a mf.

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      Yeah, both USAID, and Trump both exist, and they’re completely at odds with each other. Systems are never a monolith. It’s pretty much what makes a system a system

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    “The bourgeois simultaneous pushing both sides of an issue to divide the working class? Nah, seems far fetched.”

    Also, secretly? The worst thing about transphobes is their constant need to be the centre of attention.

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        Exactly. You have rich people who want a progressive society where everyone gets along and is grateful that some people are able to have so much money. And you have hateful fucks who will burn millions to act on their hate. Then you’ve got the cynical ones who play both sides so nobody notices them rummaging through our pockets. And you’ve got cynical ones who fear us and pin us against each other less we go for their heads, but they’ll usually find their hands in our pockets while we’re distracted, all of them will.

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    @nutomic@lemmy.ml Got anything to say about this buddy? Don’t say it was taken out of context, there isn’t any context that makes this shit better, and your rant about trans women in sports and how you think institutionalized transphobia is “far fetched” wasn’t even on topic there.

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      It’s possible, though it’s also possible he’s referencing any instance of a trans woman winning at all. As is common for transphobes who wish to gatekeep trans people from sports.

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        What’s funny is that if you ask them to name some of their favorite female athletes, they won’t have any response.

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      if he’s referring to that, he’s most likely pushing this line because Russia controls that fake boxing association

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    I though that the LGBTQ+ community was supported by the entire left wing spectrum including the far left. Was I mistaken? Also, the notion that trans people are “bourgeoisie” seems to be contradictory considering that, historically, the LGBTQ+ community have lived on the margins of society including western societies.

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    Bourgeoisie are not hive mind. Some of them are anti trans like Elon Musk. Some are pro trans. There is even one trans billionaire.

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    His first point is correct. It is called the Democrats.

    His second point is wrong. It is called the Republicans.

    Bernie, as much as I disagree with him these days, had a great speech about this which surfaced around a year ago.

    The entire reason the establishment love fighting on the LGBT issues is because it allows them to divide and conquer the populace while not addressing the economic disparity.

    If Democrats were fighting on economic populism they would have completely destroyed the Republicans. But that is not their goal.