Since Andy Yen's unfortunate comments, have any of you left Proton? And if so, what alternative did you choose? - eviltoast
  • TomasEkeli@programming.dev
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    4 小时前

    No, I’ve not switched. While I disagree with his comments, that does not make me switch.

    I am fine with using services provided by companies whose employees or leaders I don’t 100% agree with all the time.

    • Case@lemmynsfw.com
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      4 小时前

      I don’t like his comments, but honestly… I haven’t had the energy or time.

      When I have one, I lack the other.

      Do I want to? Yes, in a sense. I have an enterprise grade server I could self-host a lot of services on, and it sounds like a fun project… but getting that all done? A task. Getting cooling, noise reduction (fucker is LOUD), and such installed? A bigger task that takes more money than I have available right now. All that jazz.

  • 2ugly2live@lemmy.world
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    5 小时前

    I know this is lazy of me, but no. I was going to, downloaded tuta and everything, but I just switched this year and finally have it where I want it. I have my stuff forwarded from my old emails, and most of my important stuff has the email. I also failed to vary my programs, so it’s also my VPN and password manager. Even just getting starting with the email was giving me a headache.

    And, honestly, the vpn is better than mullvad (to me). When I was attempting to switch, I started with mullvad, but it was so much slower. And I had issues on sites I normally had no issues with. I’ll keep the resources and maybe start transferring little by little as time goes on.

  • NightmareQueenJune@lemmy.world
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    5 小时前

    No. Because changing email providers is a royal pain in the ass. Changed from Google to Ctemplar and from that to proton a year later after ctemplar went down.
    I am not going to use smaller email providers because of that experience, and proton still seems to be the best of both worlds.
    I absolutely hate that i am supporting a CEO like that with my money but I’m not in the mood to migrate anytime soon. Took me more than a whole weekend last time.

  • ᕙ(⇀‸↼‶)ᕗ@lemm.ee
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    5 小时前

    i have free proton accounts as am not loggin in to close them because lazy. but i havent really used it anymore…maybe for trashmail stuff. mullvad is cooler and 1$ rootboxes anywhere also. disroot,riseup and so many other mailproviders are cool too. i dont get why proton is so relevant to some. did you guys buy a lifetime package or why?

  • jokeyrhyme@lemmy.ml
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    12 小时前

    I highly-valued the cohesion and simplicity of having a suite of tools provided by a single vendor and all on a single bill, despite how often this turns into a vendor-lock-in strategy

    Proton was part of my attempt to de-Google, precisely because it offered email (with custom CNAMEs), calendar, and storage, and because they open-sourced their clients and tools

    Despite the UX and feature set being quite bare, I was okay with justifying this with the added privacy (which was a nice-to-have but not a deal-breaker for me)

    It seems like all the alternatives are either less open-source, have even fewer features, are even less cohesive (indeed, I’d have to select entirely separate solutions and give up all integrations) or seem to have even fewer resources for development and project sustainability

  • absurdity_of_it_all@lemmy.ml
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    12 小时前

    There are a few alternatives in mind for me. Mailbox, posteo, disroot. Disroot is the only one among these with a free email. But posteo and mailbox do have cheap tiers. Posteo doesn’t have support for custom domains last I checked.

    That’s just email. I’ve already not been using proton for almost everything else. KeepassXC for passwords, Addy.io for aliases, Syncthing and offline storage across my 3 devices instead of any Drive. VPN I rarely use so free proton is enough for that. Mullvad exists on the off chance I need it for a while (it’s a constant price per month how many ever months you choose, and you can just “top up” with some amount and it will last you the appropriate number of days).

  • jokeyrhyme@lemmy.ml
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    14 小时前

    I’d moved from Bitwarden to Proton Pass only 6 months ago, so moving back wasn’t too much of a difficult choice (both services have great import/export and Bitwarden even offers self-hosting)

  • Sips'@slrpnk.net
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    18 小时前

    I pulled the trigger and decided to leave. Not only because of the recent actions from Proton, but when I started looking for alternatives I quickly realized how deeply integrated I was into their eco system and how difficult it was to make the switch. That’s personally not something I like. I guess this goes back to the saying, ‘Don’t put all your eggs in one basket’.

    I’m now a happy customer of:

    • Mullvad for VPN
    • Bitwarden as password manager
    • Fastmail for email
    • Ente for photos
    • Yet to decide on cloud storage for files.

    I know fastmail isn’t the perfect privacy option but works very well for me. They own all their own hardware and use encryption at rest. They help develop open standards such as Jmap to replace imap. . This, to me says a lot about the people behind the company and is something I appreciate.

    For those looking for a more private email solution then Tuta is a great option too!

    Best of luck out there folks 👍

    • absurdity_of_it_all@lemmy.ml
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      12 小时前

      Unless you’re somehow looking for tonnes of storage, I don’t think you need cloud services. I’ve set up just my 3 devices (phone laptop PC) to sync with each other using Syncthing. And that’s plenty of space for just personal stuff (including photos). And it’s so cheap (only the cost of the devices you’re already using, and no subscriptions). It’s something I wish most people did because of how prevalent Drive has become, even though it doesn’t seem like it’s necessary for a lot of use cases. You’re situation might be different though, just a suggestion.

      • Sips'@slrpnk.net
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        10 小时前

        Well Sync is not a backup, but I get what you mean. On top of that I do have my own Nas 😅 so using that with at least another separate offline ssd should be good enough.

  • Alas Poor Erinaceus@lemmy.mlOP
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    16 小时前

    I’ve got Keepass for password manager and Mullvad for VPN, and both have worked out really well for me so far. What I haven’t been able to find is a good alternative to Proton Drive. For aliases I use Firefox Relay.

  • JustARegularNerd@lemmy.world
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    19 小时前

    I haven’t left, but now it’s something that’s on the cards, which wasn’t the case beforehand.

    I only recently linked my domain to my ProtonMail account, so if I do switch it should be relatively painless given I’ll transfer the domain too, and the original PM address has become more of a lost cause anyway due to spam.

  • Nursery2787@lemmy.ml
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    17 小时前

    A sociopath libertarian idiot.

    The L part is the kind of person I want in charge of my encrypted data. Telling the government to fuck off because he legitimately can’t comprehend how government is a good thing.

  • fiendishplan@lemmy.world
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    17 小时前

    I still use protonmail since it’s hard to move mail instances after giving so many people my address but I’ve reconsidered my plans to switch to their vpn or paid plans.

  • archchan@lemmy.ml
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    1 天前

    I still like and trust Proton and won’t be switching. They’ve built up enough good will. Hopefully they don’t keep burning through it though. I’m still sour over the lack of feature parity, linux support, reliance on Google for notifications, etc.

  • Squiddlioni@kbin.melroy.org
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    1 天前

    Yes, I canceled my Ultimate account. Andy can believe whatever he wants in private, but publicly stepping outside of non-partisan policy advocacy at this exact moment in time was a red flag, doubly so because he espoused his personal politics through an official business account in his response to the Reddit thread.

    Email/calendar went to Tuta, AirVPN for VPN, BitWarden for passwords. Everything is encouragingly smooth so far.

    Fair warning: Tuta’s email import is very new and only available on the more expensive tier at the moment (not sure if that’s permanent). I didn’t have any problems, but there were some issues a few weeks ago.

    I do think people are over-reacting to Andy’s words and assigning him political views he didn’t express. He didn’t endorse Trump or the Republican party at large, and definitely didn’t “go full MAGA” or express Nazi sympathies. His statements about Democrats I partially agree with and partially disagree. His remarks about the priorities and actions of Republicans, though, were pure tailpipe-huffing fantasy. Being able to say these absurd things in public–under an official business account no less–shows poor judgement and implies he might believe other absurd things he isn’t willing to say publicly.

    Another factor in my decision: Proton’s privacy policy specifies they can modify the policy at any time with no notification to users, and deems continued use of the services as agreement to the updated terms. The updated terms they didn’t notify you about.

    That being said, no service provider is perfect. I don’t think Proton stores enough data to really be a concern if they turned over everything they have. But this whole thing is based on trust. Even with their clients being open-source software, you’re trusting that they always serve the same browser scripts that they published. You trust that the password you provide at key generation or login isn’t ever passed back to their servers. You trust that they don’t keep unencrypted copies of your emails, files, or VPN activity. You trust that they aren’t going to modify their privacy policy and quietly undo protections you thought you had.

    The way Andy responded was enough to question my trust in the company with him at the helm. I didn’t leave as a heavy rebuke, just as a “do better”. There are plenty of other companies which provide equivalent services. That’s the risk companies take when a major part of their market is ideological people: if you chafe their ideology they’re more likely to put the effort into leaving.