Weird how tribal people are. Let people enjoy things for God’s sake. I use all combinations of macOS, Windows, Fedora, Ubuntu (server + on WSL), Pop_OS!, and what not. Different horses for different courses, and I like each one of these in their ways they excel at.
People who get out, see the world, meet people from other places tend to be far less tribal. Early career, I could have easily been a paid Microsoft Evangelist (is that still a real job title?). Eventually I was forced to begrudgingly learn a whole bunch of other things, then I became obsessed with OSS, shunning my former tribe every chance I got. At some point I just stopped caring about everything. Language, tabs vs spaces, design patterns, IDE, frameworks, I just don’t care any more. I still have my go-tos if I’m starting fresh but, if the direction of the wind changes, it doesn’t bother me a bit.
I shit on windows because I have had terrible experiences with windows. I dual boot a hackintosh with win10 and win10 is more unstable despite using it less. I use linux on my laptop and headless stuff and the only problems I have are ones that I create.
Enjoying Windows is like thanking your home invader.
it’s fun to fling shit at the other side on the internet, regardless of what you truly think. has been for 30 years. how is that difficult to understand?
Be the change you want to see. Stop the division!
My personal computer is Windows mainly because of gaming and game dev, but WSL means I don’t have to dual boot to tinker on a web project or something. In a way, it killed the Linux desktop for me, but I still use Linux as much as ever. With Docker as well.
it killed the Linux desktop for me
As it was designed to do
Personally, I think WSL is a great start point to introduce users in Windows to take the first step to Linux. Me myself and several people from what I know starts from WSL and end up using Linux full-time
I don’t understand the pointless hate over wsl. Sure, it doesn’t replace Linux. It also doesn’t have to… Just having access to basic nix functionality from a windows desktop is still a useful feature. It makes stuff like putty mostly obsolete. It let’s windows users unpack tarballs without 7zip. It let’s developers play video games while “compiling”. It’s just an all-around convenient tool to have.
Maybe Microsoft wanted it to replace the Linux desktop, but since when has anyone really cared about what Microsoft wanted :P
Yeah, I don’t see what the big deal is. I won’t be switching from Windows anytime soon, for various reasons, but I very much appreciate being able to have access to a local linux environment without having to dual boot.
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“Marvelous”How can downvotes be negative?
Simples, its so positive that the negative becomes positive.
no no you have a point
Your guess is as good as mine haha
I think most actual Linux users saw this as expanded access to the Linux environment, and easier ways for Windows users to dip their toes in. That was the feel i got from the general community at the time.
I used WSL extensively at a couple of previous jobs. Sometimes IT only gives you the choice of Windows or Mac. I’m quite happy to have a Linux machine at my current job, but WSL has gotten the job done for me when I lacked that option.
My company mandates Windows laptops but I mostly work with Linux VMs hosted on our servers. WSL2 and Visual Studio Code (with Remote SSH and WSL2 plug-ins) are the best things that happened to Windows in years. Without these tools I would simply be unable to work.
So true :'-) I used WSL on my company computer. Somehow I managed to snake through corporate restrictions on administration settings and WSL had practicaly full access to system. I even managed to make xserver and GUI apps working :-)
I don’t understand how Linux could make Linux obsolete
Or were they talking about the original WSL, where it was an implementation instead of a specialized VM
It’s a VM. With this tech, Linux will only be more powerful
That’s funny, I did the opposite - I got used to developing on osx, then Linux, but that was always on my work computer - my desktop has always been Windows (I’m still using the same license and chassis from the computer I bought in high school a decade and a half ago).
Then I burnt out hard, and started picking up contracts here and there, but didn’t have the money to pick up a second computer powerful enough for gaming or work. So I ran virtualbox and avoided cmd like the plague for a while… It was driving me nuts, so I made plans to run Linux with Windows in a hypervisor - I was looking at pci passthrough so I could give it direct access to the graphics card.
But then wsl came out and it just didn’t seem as important. Even as Linux gaming has grown, I just haven’t felt the need to switch… It’s sometimes finicky and setting everything up on a new computer is a pain, but the only time I considered switching one of my machines over is setting up LLMs - that was a real pain to coax into working, and it’d run better on Linux
If anything, WSL2 made me realize that I didn’t need Windows. now, I’m a Linux user for almost 2 years.
the worst thing about windows is that you can’t natively change the window manager or desktop environment. that is so backwards. they even removed the ability to move the taskbar wherever you want. this is so weird.
They removed the classic theme and I’m still pissed because you can’t quite get it back.
Cant move the taskbar? Do you mean in windows 11, cos its possible in windows 10. If so i have just another reason to be glad i didnt make the move
Yeah, Windows 11 removed the ability to move your taskbar around, can only be at the bottom of the screen now.
There’s a popular patcher application for this problem called ExplorerPatcher
We should not have to fight back the OS of our computers.
Linux is Linux.
WSL is Bill Gates’ wet fart of an OS running Linux.
Definitely not the same thing.
Is it not? It’s basically a Linux container running on Windows, isn’t it?
But it is Ubuntu, it essentially negates any benefit from being Linux.
But seriously, you still have to sift through all the worst of Windows to make it to Linux. When you could be, you know, just using Linux and avoid the dead weight.
I feel WSL just gives enterprises an excuse not to let developers have pure Linux machines. After putting up with horrible and buggy WSL for years, managed to have my organisation bless running proper Linux on our machines. Bye Windows, hardly ever knew you.
90% of ICT techs would have to be fired if corporate switched to Linux. Any ops tech that knows Linux is in the bunkers babying the data center’s servers, not caring for old laptops and abused browser machines.
I’m not saying Linux is superior to Windows, that would be a opinion. But for anyone outside of gamers (Steam Deck…) or business folks, it IS the better option. The issue is Dell isn’t going to ship Ubuntu by default, for example. It’s all subsidiaries, all the way down. FOSS just cannot throw their weight around like M$.
