Murder involves taking action IMO, denying payments is barely an action and perhaps even reduces the number of actions (depending on if it takes more steps to approve payment). The CEO was just encouraging death, a far more cowardly action.
“Officer, I didn’t drive into the crowd of people, I simply took my foot off the brakes and steering wheel. That’s barely an action! In fact, it reduced the number of actions.”
Except he promised people life saving treatment in exchange for payment up front, but when 16% of those people asked for the life saving treatment, he didn’t deliver it.
Murder involves taking action IMO, denying payments is barely an action and perhaps even reduces the number of actions (depending on if it takes more steps to approve payment).
Bullshit. Inaction is still an action, and intentionally not providing life saving care is morally indistinguishable from killing them yourself when you have the means and ability to do so.
The people that are paid for life saving care are doctors and nurses, themselves paid by the hospitals (or independent practice) which can be paid by insurance, Medicare/Medicaid, or out of pocket.
Good job, buddy! You’re getting it! Now just go one step further and think about what it means to pay for insurance. How does that change who pays the doctors and nurses out of those three options? You’re so close!
the degree of separation matters in my opinion, technically the insurance cannot prevent a patient from accessing healthcare, (in practice few have the money to pay out of pocket or fight a lawsuit with megacorps) health insurance never was about healthcare it’s about insurance against costs associated with it.
And yet when they don’t cover “the costs associated with it”, you’d still defend these insurance companies because it wasn’t their responsibility to provide healthcare in the first place, right?
Hard to believe you’re a real person expressing these statements, no good faith in your positions… What are you, man? Who the fuck are you even fighting for?
It doesn’t though. Whether they physically block you from getting care or put up financial blocks that they know will do the same, the outcome is the same and these layers of abstraction exist to make people like you ok with social murder.
The fact that your argument is based around it being somehow not murder when they implement policies they know will lead to death by not doing their one fucking job makes me so fucking sad.
This is just wishy-washy moralism at play that only services to erase the real harm caused by systems perpetuated by bad actors like the CEO that got capped.
Hitler repeatedly called for the murder/extermination of others, Charles Manson shot someone resulting in their death.
Health insurance is merely a company, sure it is significantly worse and results in significant deaths when compared to a single payer system, however it is a capitalist solution to a capitalist healthcare system. Would you rather health insurance be outlawed with no replacement requiring every patient to pay out of pocket?
Health insurance accomplishes its task of making money precisely because it provides just enough value to the general public to not have riots/political action calling for its destruction.
Don’t even say passive, it’s plausible deniability at best - meaning a constructed, technical wall to point to and say, “whaa happened?” when shit goes bad.
Brian’s job was simple, walk into a room each day and be asked a single question, “how many hammers do we make today?” His answer, without exception, was, “as many hammers as we’re legally allowed to make”. Then Brian goes home, well, second home as he was estranged from his wife and family and he took that drive home while drunk. He then likely ate a big ol’ steak, had a massage and sex with an escort and continued drinking until he passed out, sleeping very well after a harmless day of deciding targets for hammer production.
In the meantime, those hammers were used predominately to bludgeon sick people to death while already actively suffering through the most painful, lowest moments of their lives - and the victim’s families have to watch it slowly happen with nothing meaningful they can do.
But Brian was just choosing the number of hammers to make each day, right?
Murder involves taking action IMO, denying payments is barely an action and perhaps even reduces the number of actions (depending on if it takes more steps to approve payment). The CEO was just encouraging death, a far more cowardly action.
“Officer, I didn’t drive into the crowd of people, I simply took my foot off the brakes and steering wheel. That’s barely an action! In fact, it reduced the number of actions.”
What are you talking about?
100% gobbledygook, dude is talking in a circle and saying nothing
Except he promised people life saving treatment in exchange for payment up front, but when 16% of those people asked for the life saving treatment, he didn’t deliver it.
false advertising and or homicide.
not murder.
That is horseshit for a very Important reason.
The CEO took action. He accepted payment. This was an active confidence scheme.
Take their money, promise to provide care through claim fulfillment when the mark inevitably gets sick.
When the mark inevitably gets sick, reveal the con, keep the money, let them die when you actively presented yourself as their sickness preparation.
Brian was a murderer. His murder weapon was snake oil, a false agreement.
The mental gymnastics you’re performing should be in the Olympics
Bullshit. Inaction is still an action, and intentionally not providing life saving care is morally indistinguishable from killing them yourself when you have the means and ability to do so.
Especially to people who SPECIFICALLY paid you to provide life-saving care.
The people that are paid for life saving care are doctors and nurses, themselves paid by the hospitals (or independent practice) which can be paid by insurance, Medicare/Medicaid, or out of pocket.
Good job, buddy! You’re getting it! Now just go one step further and think about what it means to pay for insurance. How does that change who pays the doctors and nurses out of those three options? You’re so close!
the degree of separation matters in my opinion, technically the insurance cannot prevent a patient from accessing healthcare, (in practice few have the money to pay out of pocket or fight a lawsuit with megacorps) health insurance never was about healthcare it’s about insurance against costs associated with it.
And yet when they don’t cover “the costs associated with it”, you’d still defend these insurance companies because it wasn’t their responsibility to provide healthcare in the first place, right?
Hard to believe you’re a real person expressing these statements, no good faith in your positions… What are you, man? Who the fuck are you even fighting for?
It doesn’t though. Whether they physically block you from getting care or put up financial blocks that they know will do the same, the outcome is the same and these layers of abstraction exist to make people like you ok with social murder.
The fact that your argument is based around it being somehow not murder when they implement policies they know will lead to death by not doing their one fucking job makes me so fucking sad.
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“I wasn’t killing people, I was simply forcing the Irish to export all of their food to us. It’s their fault they starved to death”.
This is just wishy-washy moralism at play that only services to erase the real harm caused by systems perpetuated by bad actors like the CEO that got capped.
What a feckless, empty definition “taking action” is - you posting here was taking an action? Do you mean “pulling the trigger”?
So by your definition, Hitler and Charles Manson were not responsible for murders?
Hitler repeatedly called for the murder/extermination of others, Charles Manson shot someone resulting in their death.
Health insurance is merely a company, sure it is significantly worse and results in significant deaths when compared to a single payer system, however it is a capitalist solution to a capitalist healthcare system. Would you rather health insurance be outlawed with no replacement requiring every patient to pay out of pocket?
Health insurance accomplishes its task of making money precisely because it provides just enough value to the general public to not have riots/political action calling for its destruction.
I really wonder if you are convinced you make compelling arguments? This is mush, congrats.
I’d say it’s still murder, but passive rather than active.
Don’t even say passive, it’s plausible deniability at best - meaning a constructed, technical wall to point to and say, “whaa happened?” when shit goes bad.
Brian’s job was simple, walk into a room each day and be asked a single question, “how many hammers do we make today?” His answer, without exception, was, “as many hammers as we’re legally allowed to make”. Then Brian goes home, well, second home as he was estranged from his wife and family and he took that drive home while drunk. He then likely ate a big ol’ steak, had a massage and sex with an escort and continued drinking until he passed out, sleeping very well after a harmless day of deciding targets for hammer production.
In the meantime, those hammers were used predominately to bludgeon sick people to death while already actively suffering through the most painful, lowest moments of their lives - and the victim’s families have to watch it slowly happen with nothing meaningful they can do.
But Brian was just choosing the number of hammers to make each day, right?
sort of agree, but $>life gives them motive in my opinion. I’d still call it murder by definition.