Zelensky admits Ukraine does not have military strength to reclaim lost territories from Russia - eviltoast
  • Bobr@lemmy.libertarianfellowship.org
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    So you want to sell me one incident

    Holy fuck, and you are telling me that I’m dense… That’s what happens every single day, it’s in the mainstream western media for a long time now - https://www.yahoo.com/news/m-ukrainian-conscription-officer-people-070000956.html. Zelensky’s regime kidnaps and beats people every single day, thanks to your support.
    How many accidents would be enough for you to admit that Zelensky is terrorizing Ukrainians with your support? That’s a rhetorical question of course, obviously Zelensky can do whatever he wants as long as Russians are dying as well, right?

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        Got it, Zelensky can kidnap, torture and murder people until UN releases a report on it. Thanks for clarification. At least you set some red line, usually its simple “to the last Ukrainian” kind of thing :/

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          Yes comrade, I too envision Zelensky personally pressimg a gun to the temple of every Ukrainian that refuses to get drafted. What a despicable behavior, to make out the victim of an invasion to be the perpetrator.

          There is exactly one person that can end the invasion with the snap of a finger, and that person is Putin.

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            Yes comrade, I too envision Zelensky personally pressimg a gun to the temple of every Ukrainian that refuses to get drafted.

            Ah, so if he’s not doing the atrocities personally then it’s all ok? Gotcha :)

            What a despicable behavior, to make out the victim of an invasion to be the perpetrator.

            I hope you aren’t implying that Zelensky is a victim? For him this war is literally the best thing that could ever happen to him - he gets to rule the xountry for as long as he wish, reveives billions from the west, travels around thr world telling stories about how hr protects the democracy, etc. The victims are Ukrainians whom he (well, his rehime if you want to differentiate those things for some reason…) confines, kidnaps, tortures and murders.

            There is exactly one person that can end the invasion with the snap of a finger, and that person is Putin.

            So?

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              Ah, so if he’s not doing the atrocities personally then it’s all ok? Gotcha :)

              Still dense, gotcha (:

              I hope you aren’t implying that Zelensky is a victim? For him this war is literally the best thing that could ever happen to him - he gets to rule the xountry for as long as he wish, reveives billions from the west, travels around thr world telling stories about how hr protects the democracy, etc. The victims are Ukrainians whom he (well, his rehime if you want to differentiate those things for some reason…) confines, kidnaps, tortures and murders.

              Yes comrade, I too beg my neighbouring country to invade me, so I can stay in power. I thank them every time I’m attending a funeral of one of my soldiers.

              So?

              I just love how at the start of your meaningless ramble you were “concerned” for Ukrainian victims. But as soon as it gets pointed out who really has the power to stop this invasion you feign ignorance… Or you’re really just that dense, that’s a possibility too of course.

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                Yes comrade, I too beg my neighbouring country to invade me, so I can stay in power. I thank them every time I’m attending a funeral of one of my soldiers.

                So why exactly doesn’t it make sense? :)

                I just love how at the start of your meaningless ramble you were “concerned” for Ukrainian victims. But as soon as it gets pointed out who really has the power to stop this invasion you feign ignorance… Or you’re really just that dense, that’s a possibility too of course.

                Yeah, you are quite dense :)

                I am concerned for Ukrainian victims, because me my friends and my family are potentially one of them.

                But as soon as it gets pointed out who really has the power to stop this invasion you feign ignorance…

                What ignorance? What Putin’s/Russia’s ability to end the war has to do with Zelensky’s commiting atrocities on Ukrainians?

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                    Libs love the platonic ideal of what they imagine a Ukrainian to be. They’re not interested in actual, flesh & blood, working class Ukrainians, and especially not in real life eastern Ukrainians who were terrorized by western Ukrainian neo-Nazi paramilitaries for nearly a decade.

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                    Libs love Ukrainians until they meet one who doesn’t agree with their narrative

                    So far very few libs even admitted that I might be a Ukrainian, CNN (or whatever else) told them that everybody not glorifying Zelensky’s atrocities is either a Russian bot or Russian propagandist, no third options here.

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                  Why doesn’t it make sense? For the same reason the normal person doesn’t enjoy torturing pets.

                  You sure are a “potential victim” of Ukrainian drafting. That’s why you spend your hours browsing the tankie instance of Lemmy. Yep. Yep.

                  If you really believe that Zelensky is committing “atrocities”, then surely you are in favor of removing the one reason why Zelensky is committing those “atrocities”. And also the reson he uses to “cheekily” stay in office by the by.

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                    Why doesn’t it make sense? For the same reason the normal person doesn’t enjoy torturing pets.

                    Yeah that’s quite dense. I literally gave you proof of tortures by Zelensky’s regime, Ukrainian parliament members are admitting that there are more of such cases, all the kidnapping beatings deaths and so on, and your argument is “well what you are saying doesn’t make sense because a normal person wouldn’t do that”. He is not a normal person. He is sadistic mass murderer.

                    You sure are a “potential victim” of Ukrainian drafting. That’s why you spend your hours browsing the tankie instance of Lemmy. Yep. Yep.

                    Again - why doesn’t it make sense? :)

                    If you really believe that Zelensky is committing “atrocities”, then surely you are in favor of removing the one reason why Zelensky is committing those “atrocities”. And also the reson he uses to “cheekily” stay in office by the by.

                    What kind of fucked up logic is that?? “Yeah that guy tortures, kidnaps, murders and so on - instead of removing him let’s try to figure out what we can do so that he might stop”. Woah.
                    If some guy kills your entire family - I propose we do the same as you propose here - not put him into jail or anything, but you know - talk with him why did he do it and ask him not to do that anymore.