Oh, you’re an idealist stuck two centuries behind everyone else. Capital can and will crush everything you build through your ideology, so drop the anarcho part until capital is eliminated globally, or enjoy being a slave to capital your entire existence.
I’m confused? What part of that makes you think I support capital? China literally has billionaires and factory owners, how does me pointing that out make me a capitalist?
Reread, I never suggested you support capital, I suggested your outdated naive ideology has no chance against capital. As to your second point, reread some basic theory as to why dengism was adopted in China and how it has successfully outlasted the ussr and all other left wing movements in history while being true to its ml roots.
So my ideology doesn’t stand a chance against capital because it hasn’t embraced capitalism? Also Dengism is absolutely not an ML ideology, “socialism with Chinese characteristics” is fascism with state capitalist characteristics. If you have a “ML” society that has a massive government, enages in genocide, has powerful capitalists, private property, rampant corruption, and generally horrible for the workers (see working conditions and labor strikes in China)
Ask yourself this, how do you think your revolution, whatever revolution you think is necessary to install your ideology, is going to go 50 years after it’s successful and you’ve been attacked constantly on all sides and from within by the enemy?
Turns out we can answer that, you won’t make it 50 years, you won’t make it five if you stick to principles doomed to fail.
China isn’t a fascist state, they’re not an imperialist state. They’re an unapologetic dictatorship of the proletariat, and the only country still around that has executed billionaires, plural. Are they communist? No, no state can be communist given that statelessness is required. But they have an open democracy where all citizens can participate, a government that explicitly follows the will of the people, and an economy that favors the workers and has pulled more people out of poverty than all other economic systems combined. All without really violating human rights.
They’re on unapologetic dictatorship of the proletariat…
Lol. Lmao. If the proletariat holds all the power in China, why are their wages and working conditions worse than they are in other capitalist countries? Why do they have billionaires? Why can’t they join unions other than the one that’s run by the state?
…they have an open democracy where all citizens can participate…
Does that include the Uyghurs? Does that include the Tibetans?
All without without really violating human rights.
You can’t come up with a couple of human rights that the PRC may have violated? Not a single one. Yeah righto champ 👍
Capitalism will run your defenseless little commune over and salt the earth where it stood just to spite you. Ask me how I know: what did this dogmade country do to my people’s leaders? Again, and again, and again, until the closest thing we have to earnest “civil rights leaders” anymore are sitting in prison under false government slander of being foreign-backed agents?
You want to talk about “deeply unserious” and don’t even have a meterstick to measure how deep in the water you are, or floaties to keep from sinking-- you clearly can’t swim.
If your revolution requires abandoning your principles and installing a fascistic leadership then what’s the fucking point of your revolution in the first place?
What “abandonment of principles”? Unless it’s one of your principles to not actually fight your oppressor in any meaningful way, in which case, I consider you little more than a fetishist of martyrdom. Do-nothing.
I love how you totally ignore that this country has been locking up my people’s leaders, too. What, should it be one of my ‘principles’ to forget that this nation is fundamentally racist towards me and mine, and will not liberate us until we as a disciplined formation and state, demand liberation at gunpoint and knife’s edge?
Y’know what: since you’re such an enlightened settler, you tell me how you’d secure liberation for your people in such hostile conditions to your people’s comfort, safety, and self-determination.
Oh, you’re an idealist stuck two centuries behind everyone else. Capital can and will crush everything you build through your ideology, so drop the anarcho part until capital is eliminated globally, or enjoy being a slave to capital your entire existence.
I’m confused? What part of that makes you think I support capital? China literally has billionaires and factory owners, how does me pointing that out make me a capitalist?
Reread, I never suggested you support capital, I suggested your outdated naive ideology has no chance against capital. As to your second point, reread some basic theory as to why dengism was adopted in China and how it has successfully outlasted the ussr and all other left wing movements in history while being true to its ml roots.
So my ideology doesn’t stand a chance against capital because it hasn’t embraced capitalism? Also Dengism is absolutely not an ML ideology, “socialism with Chinese characteristics” is fascism with state capitalist characteristics. If you have a “ML” society that has a massive government, enages in genocide, has powerful capitalists, private property, rampant corruption, and generally horrible for the workers (see working conditions and labor strikes in China)
THEN IT IS NOT EVEN A SOCIALIST SOCIETY
Man you neolibs get worse every year.
You are deeply unserious.
Ask yourself this, how do you think your revolution, whatever revolution you think is necessary to install your ideology, is going to go 50 years after it’s successful and you’ve been attacked constantly on all sides and from within by the enemy?
Turns out we can answer that, you won’t make it 50 years, you won’t make it five if you stick to principles doomed to fail.
China isn’t a fascist state, they’re not an imperialist state. They’re an unapologetic dictatorship of the proletariat, and the only country still around that has executed billionaires, plural. Are they communist? No, no state can be communist given that statelessness is required. But they have an open democracy where all citizens can participate, a government that explicitly follows the will of the people, and an economy that favors the workers and has pulled more people out of poverty than all other economic systems combined. All without really violating human rights.
Lol. Lmao. If the proletariat holds all the power in China, why are their wages and working conditions worse than they are in other capitalist countries? Why do they have billionaires? Why can’t they join unions other than the one that’s run by the state?
Does that include the Uyghurs? Does that include the Tibetans?
You can’t come up with a couple of human rights that the PRC may have violated? Not a single one. Yeah righto champ 👍
Capitalism will run your defenseless little commune over and salt the earth where it stood just to spite you. Ask me how I know: what did this dogmade country do to my people’s leaders? Again, and again, and again, until the closest thing we have to earnest “civil rights leaders” anymore are sitting in prison under false government slander of being foreign-backed agents?
You want to talk about “deeply unserious” and don’t even have a meterstick to measure how deep in the water you are, or floaties to keep from sinking-- you clearly can’t swim.
If your revolution requires abandoning your principles and installing a fascistic leadership then what’s the fucking point of your revolution in the first place?
What “abandonment of principles”? Unless it’s one of your principles to not actually fight your oppressor in any meaningful way, in which case, I consider you little more than a fetishist of martyrdom. Do-nothing.
I love how you totally ignore that this country has been locking up my people’s leaders, too. What, should it be one of my ‘principles’ to forget that this nation is fundamentally racist towards me and mine, and will not liberate us until we as a disciplined formation and state, demand liberation at gunpoint and knife’s edge?
Y’know what: since you’re such an enlightened settler, you tell me how you’d secure liberation for your people in such hostile conditions to your people’s comfort, safety, and self-determination.