Amazon.comās Whole Foods Market doesnāt want to be forced to let workers wear āBlack Lives Matterā masks and is pointing to the recent US Supreme Court ruling permitting a business owner to refuse services to same-sex couples to get federal regulators to back off.
National Labor Relations Board prosecutors have accused the grocer of stifling worker rights by banning staff from wearing BLM masks or pins on the job. The company countered in a filing that its own rights are being violated if itās forced to allow BLM slogans to be worn with Whole Foods uniforms.
Amazon is the most prominent company to use the high courtās June ruling that a Christian web designer was free to refuse to design sites for gay weddings, saying the case āprovides a clear roadmapā to throw out the NLRBās complaint.
The dispute is one of several in which labor board officials are considering what counts as legally-protected, work-related communication and activism on the job.
Why does anybody think itās a good idea to wear political statements into work? Just do your job.
Imagine if you ran a business and one of your customer-facing employees showed up in a MAGA hat. Youād probably want them to leave it at home right?
You think equal rights and fair treatment for all is āpoliticsā?
They arenāt banning masks that say āequal rights and fair treatment for ALLā , they are banning BLM masks, BLM is a political movement/organization.
No BLM is a statement that black lives matter. Thatās completely different from saying, for instance, blue lives matter. One is a race that people are born into and the other is a job. Itās not political, itās a cry for help.
Ya itās a political movement that wants cops to stop killing black people.
Unfortunately it is.
Being neutral about racism is effectively being racist.
So telling someone not to wear a pin is now racist?
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Noā¦ Itās asking people to adhere to the policies that existed when they were hiredā¦
You can literally search āwhole foods dress codeā and find reddit posts of people discussing this YEARS ago.
https://www.reddit.com/r/wholefoods/comments/mdcifx/dress_code/
This is nothing newā¦ Itās a bog standard policy for many places.
LMAO A tankie talking about āboot lickingā. Thatās hilarious. You worship someone who literally killed my people for no reasonā¦ And defend it like it was okay. Talk about boot licking.
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Signage and displays isnāt a violation of dress codeā¦ So yes. This is different.
Iām sure if they decided they could make money off of the BLM movement theyād put up signage and displays for it too. But theyāre the oneās paying the billsā¦ they get to make up the rules in their establishment.
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Summer people think MAGA is patriotic. Personally I wouldnāt want someone wearing that either.
Either employees should be allowed to wear personal accessories to express themselves, or they should not. How do you define what is and is not political?
Also, this articleās vague, but āno slogans, logos, or advertising except for Whole Foods brandingā is Whole Foodsās official dress code. https://www.shrm.org/resourcesandtools/legal-and-compliance/employment-law/pages/whole-foods-black-lives-matter-mask.aspx
The problem with all of these things is always unequal enforcement. For example if the store allowed an employee to wear a thin blue line mask, and fired another employee for a BLM mask
Except the store didnāt do that
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Itās was a dismissed court caseā¦ What are you talking about āwe donāt knowā court records are a thing. You can get them directly by submitting a FOIA request.
Or just reading the new articles that spawned from the case.
https://www.reuters.com/legal/judge-dismisses-whole-foods-workers-lawsuit-over-black-lives-matter-masks-2023-01-23/
Thereās no evidence that it was unfairly applied. And if you have such evidence Iām sure you can submit it to the plaintiffās lawyers and theyāll set you up with a sweet payday.
Would ALSO cover āthin blue lineā as well btwā¦ Technically it would cover the proper American flag as wellā¦
Agreed, if I ran a grocery store chain Iād just have the employees wear uniforms with no personal expression.
At the end of the day itās the businessās right to set whatever policy they want though. If the government decides employees have a constitutionally protected right to wear whatever they want to wear to work, weāre gonna see a lot of crazy bullshit.
Would it be a bad thing? I think with some sensible exceptions it would be a very good thing to permit free expression as the default.
Up to the business. If they donāt want political statements or and statement made at work, I can understand it.
That just means that employers can push their own political agendas and suppress alternatives.
āEmployees may not wear pins of a political nature, such as expressing support for Joe Biden. Wearing a pin expressing support for Donald Trump is acceptable because that is not political.ā
Like I said, it either has to be all or nothing - allow self expression or do not. Allowing self expression only if the company agrees with the expression is essentially compelled speech.
Damn straight
So, we can ban crosses? Iām obviously going a bit far, but both somewhat touch on the way people believe rights should be secured, and both involve human rights (one to free expression of religion, another to life and fr33dom from unfair treatment in general). Both make statements to others that others may find uncomfortable, depending on their beliefs.
ā¦yes? Why shouldnāt a business have the right to ban their employees from wearing a cross? Go work somewhere else if wearing a cross is that important to youā¦
The point is the the USA the complaint would never have been made about the cross.
I mean, I agree, to an extent. As someone else pointed out, the cross banning would never work out in the US, and that shows the difference in how both things are treated here.
I just want to say that restricting someoneās right to wear a cross to work is hella illegal in Canada.
When thereās comments here bringing up the first amendment and apparently forgetting that it includes that whole thing about not having a national religion, which is exactly whatās happened/continuing to happen with christianity. Itās just a little bit different than āblack lives matter,ā which is justā¦a fact?
Except BLM and LGBTQ isnāt political. Itās Civil Rights. This isnāt Dem vs GOP, itās ethical vs unethical treatment of humanity. Unfortunately certain individuals in the US portray this as political, but thatās so they can use it as leverage for their goals. You wouldnāt say āstop beating a slave and set him freeā because your political affiliation says so, you say it because you see a human being suffer.
Iām sorry but you just sound naive. These are not mutually exclusive. Civil rights are part of politics. All youāre arguing is that you think the politics you like should be allowed in the work place, and the politics you donāt like should not. Thatās the hottest take in the entire post.
is lemmy being brigaded? seriously, what the fuck is this. ājust do your jobā is never an adequate response to worker complaints
Yeah, Iām seeing this kind of trash on a lot of posts when lemmy was not even close to this bad just a month ago. Itās fucking gross.
Redditors ruin everything they touch
It is odd. Iām a Wilsonian Neocon with the caveat that I understand not everyone can always get what they want, but Lemmyās usually āI hate the US so much that I support Russiaā not anti-union shit. I suppose the GOP just made the UAW strike into a political talking point so the bot account goons are trying to steer conversations against unions even when the community never wanted it.
Ah the old, āan influx of normal opinions not in my extremist progressive echo chamber is brigadingā
Because workers are more important than the businesses they work for, obviously.
I think itās good when people support good things and bad when people support bad things. Amorally applying the rules for their own sake is actually not a virtue; the rules should be oriented to promote good outcomes and discourage bad outcomes. Otherwise, whatās the point?
Who decides whatās good or bad?
We all do. We already do this throughout society. Individually we make choices on what is good or bad, and collectively those choices add up and are expressed either in law or social contract.
I actually had to talk to the boss and tell him that this managerās motherfucking confederate flag hat made me uncomfortable, like he was a floor manager who wore the stars and bars every day, in a western state that didnāt exist during the civil warā¦ and they didnāt say anything to him until a customer complained. He wore that shit for like a month. The good ol boyās club is unreal
Thatās where the constant disclaimers to the effect of āthe views expressed do not nessecarily reflect the position of the company blah blah blahā whenever someone speaks who isnt the principal executive of the organization. The problem being though it doesnāt go both ways, when one of the high leaders speaks itās portrayed as āour company believesā which then at least somewhat implies the employees of said company are in agreement. Individual expression is just leveling the field by letting the employees say 'the views of the company do not reflect my own.
Itās less common for any smart business to make highly charged statements unless they happen to be sure the majority will support them for it, but not unknown. Iāve seen a couple small ones around here that went as far as to plaster Q slogans all over their signs. From a business perspective they just alienated a major portion of their potential customers without anyone setting foot in the door.
I would agree with you, but this is pretty blatant far-right bias and with the genocidal turn that camp has taken, itās vitally important to take sides.
Otherwise, I agree with you.
Lol āgenocidal turnā
Why does anyone think whether black people matter or not is political?
Because BLM is a political movement
And what are the politics of the movement?
Convincing black people that everyone is against them and that they should feel bad about it, while convincing white people that the only way they can do anything about it is by giving them money
most confusing poster in this whole thread. you say some good shit then dumb shit like this
I speak the truth
But if I canāt wear my rainbow onesie to work itās literally genocide.
Lol apparently people here donāt see sarcasm.
I think thereās a difference between not seeing sarcasm and not finding it amusing (particularly in certain circumstances).
Everyone knows theyāre being sarcastic, but we also live in a world where itās a crime punishable by death to be LGBTQ+, where mentioning the topic in public is a crime and there are US politicians who have literally called for genocide against LGBTQ+ people, so itās just a shitty thing to say.
Oh yeah, how many whole foods do they have?
No theyāre arenāt. Youāre lying
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Is madeā¦ you reference a person who ISNāT a politician as your source? What office does Michael Knowles hold?
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Nope. Literally the same fucking comments section you met me in. Itās TOTALLY wild that we meet againā¦ unheard of.
Funny that you didnāt actually respond to the commentā¦ againā¦ Almost like literally anything you say you canāt defend at all.
Now the REALLY funny thing is that youāve actually responded to @freeindv@monyet.cc several times too! So if Iām āstalkingā youā¦ then youāre stalking them. You can literally fuck off with your dumb bullshit somewhere else.
Thanks for proving me right about your lies
We do. We just donāt like you two very much.