Ashton Kutcher Resigns From His Anti-Child Sex Abuse Organization Amid Danny Masterson Support Backlash - eviltoast
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    Masterson demonstrated no mercy in raping his victims.

    Our society demonstrating no mercy to those our society failed, and we did at some point for most felons if not Masterson, just makes us another link in the chain of cruelty. Mercy should always be considered, at every step, especially if we as a society espouse to be better than those we prosecute.

    Justice isn’t for pleasure, vengeance is. If you’re feeling good about anyone’s suffering, Masterson or his victims, that isn’t a sense of justice you’re feeling.

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        No, its compassionate, whether you agree its deserved or not.

        Once again, a harsher punishment for the victimizer doesn’t equate to more compassion for the victim.

        You can’t demonstrate compassion through cruelty. Reasonable punishment is justice, getting off on maximizing punishment is vengeance. Getting angry at a friend of the victimizer asking the judge to consider LESS THAN THE MAXIMUMUM CONCEIVABLE PUNISHMENT is literally getting mad at calls for mercy because it might have diminished your desire for maximum vengeance.

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          No-one was asking for a harsher punishment, plus prison in this case is taking a dangerous person off the streets, it doesn’t need to be punishment.

          No-one talked about maximum punishment for vengeance.

          You’re making all this up to justify someone asking for leniency for a convicted multiple rapist.

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      This is some I’m 16 and this is deep bullshit. The point is we have a process in place to convict and sentence people charged with crimes. Once he was found guilty do his friends need to abandon him? No. But do they need to actually have him show a change BEFORE they show “leniency”. Yes. Your whole argument is so dumb it borders if not crosses over into making you a rape apologist.

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        No, this is some “we need to be better than those we convict, and that means always considering mercy as those we punish failed to” bullshit.

        You’re right though. Deep fry em all in Crisco, balls first, all slow like, and make their parents watch! Woooooo justice!

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          Did he get the death penalty? What are you proposing his sentence be then? Couple weeks and some knitting classes? Rehabilitation takes time, and I’m all for that. But that’s not what Ashton and Mila were asking for. They were asking for a lighter sentence because he’s a good guy. You aren’t even arguing about the original topic though so none of this is relevant anyways.

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          People who abuse others only to hide behind fame and religion do not need us to be better. They need to be made an example of.

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            I consider our ENTIRE “justice” system to be archaic, regressive, punitive, pay to win, and unredeemable. It needs to be destroyed and rebuilt. We have no rehabilitation, more prisoners oer capita than any nation on Earth by a lot, even the ones we ironically make fun of for being authoritarian, and basically we expect to torture our way out of criminality.

            I agree Masterson deserves no special treatment, but Americans deserve a benevolent justice system that seeks restorative justice, absolutely NOT making examples of people as we do all the time to cruel cheers.

            You really want our courts to continue to appeal to fear rather than respect?

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          AllonzeeLV - “Internet doesn’t understand nuance!”

          Also AllonzeeLV - “You’re right though. Deep fry em all in Crisco, balls first, all slow like, and make their parents watch! Woooooo justice!”

          man stfu you’re an idiot

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      those our society failed

      Are you trying to tell me that Society failed Danny Masterson? Do you proof read what you write? No. Society failed the women that he raped. Society fails the millions that will die of treatable disease this year. Society fails the single mother that has to work three jobs to support herself and her child. Society did not, I repeat, did not fail Danny Masterson. Society taught him that rape is bad. Danny decided to do it anyway. Danny failed society.