The idea of total Ukrainian victory is delusional - eviltoast
  • happybadger [he/him]@hexbear.net
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    9 months ago

    The scariest thing about liberal warmongering in Ukraine is that they not thought about the possibility of losing. All the money being lost for nothing, the weapons being lost to anyone with money, the massive group of war-hardened Nazis who blame the west for their loss, the re-invigoration of Russia after training it on how to defeat all of our weapons/tactics, the permanent refugees powering the far right the same way Syria has. They’re so psychotically devoted to this obviously hopeless war that they think they can win it by pretending to be dogs on twitter alone, with no Plan B if that doesn’t defeat a superpower. It hasn’t and it won’t. With each conscript they sacrifice, the survivors around them have one more valid reason to want to turn their drones westward.

    • Kaplya [none/use name]@hexbear.net
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      9 months ago

      All the money being lost for nothing

      I can assure you that the money spent isn’t “lost” at all. They all ended up “somewhere”. There is a reason why Biden is so keen on pushing the $60 bil funding to Ukraine even though everyone knows there is no way Ukraine can win. But yes, agree with the rest of what you said.

  • Collatz_problem [comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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    9 months ago

    The point was always to prolong the war so it inflicts damage on Russia. In fact, losing the war is also acceptable for them as long as Ukraine is completely leveled in the process to force Russia to spend money to rebuild.

  • AutoTL;DR@lemmings.worldB
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    9 months ago

    This is the best summary I could come up with:


    There is more hope for fools than for them.” Invaluable because, in connection with the Russia-Ukraine War, the passage powerfully illuminates the current debate about Ukraine’s future strategic prospects.

    The past few months have witnessed the dog returning to its vomit in the form of any number of efforts to once again make the case that Ukraine still has a path to total victory in its war against Russia.

    In professional journals, on influential websites and across the full spectrum of media outlets, observers, analysts and pundits alike continue to inform us that, yes, there is a way for Ukraine to prevail over Russia, expelling the latter from all of its territory, including Crimea.

    One might claim that these arguments are being advanced because the facts on the ground warrant them; because the shifting geopolitical and battlefield realities clearly indicate that the military balance is tipping in Ukraine’s favor.

    In short, Russia is winning the war and there is little to suggest that any foreseeable political, economic, tactical or technological developments are likely to alter that fundamental reality.

    Well, applying Occam’s razor — the principle that “other things being equal, simpler explanations are generally better than more complex ones” — I would suggest that the delusional belief that there is a pathway to total victory for Ukraine is based less on evolving military or geopolitical realities than on a simple psychological dynamic, one best summed up in the concept of “commitment escalation.”


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