Some very nice predictions about AMOC coming in - eviltoast
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    9 months ago

    Not entirely true,

    Many of the outcomes have been worse than predicted. We’re hitting milestones like 1.5°C decades ahead of when we were estimated to. The AMOC is on the verge of collapse, ice is melting faster, etc. So I wouldn’t say “exactly” what they predicted came true, it’s actually worse than predicted on average.

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      That’s very true. But I think that stems in part from the fact that some of the most prominent climate science (such as the IPCC report) features the consensus of many scientists. All climate scientists will agree on low estimates that we are very sure of. But there have been some models predicting faster increases of global temperatures than we have seen. If we would look at the average of scientific claims instead of the consensus, we might be more close to the truth.

      Nevertheless, science has been pretty right overall. Of course, not exactly right, but that wouldn’t fit in a meme.

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        9 months ago

        I think another large part of it is that we can’t take into account the actual emissions before they happen. In some cases emissions have increased rather than decreased.
        We can estimate how much methane will be released by thawing permafrost but we can’t know for sure until it happens, we can estimate how much CO2 will be absorbed and released by seawater every year, but that can change based on environmental factors and saturation.

        I also wonder how much pressure is put on climate scientists by governments to under report or misrepresent findings.

  • OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml
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    9 months ago

    But didn’t you know Al Gore said something inaccurate about climate change in 2011?!?

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    Climate science denialism is nothing new. It has been going on for decades. The Greenhouse effect has been known for more than 100 years. There have been urgent public warnings from scientists for more than 40 years. Right now, science warns that the Atlantic meridional overturning circulation (AMOC) will break down (link). If we carry on like this, it will be a question of when, not if. This is just one example. Each example should cause immediate global political action. Instead, we’re living the meme.

    Once again: Posting and liking memes is great, but real change comes from actions. If you are as concerned as we are about climate change, please consider joining or supporting climate activists near you.

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      My biggest problem these days is the scale of changes that must happen quickly, and the intrinsic resistance or outright hate for the easily known ways we could cut emissions and further oil exploitation - but the stupids won’t let us. They won’t even consider it. They argue that windmills cause cancer. They want to tax renewable power sources and EVs. In Texas, they pay cryptominers to not cryptomine MILLIONS OF DOLLARS when their shoddy grid starts gagging on texas summers, winters, and well, the rest of the year. It’s a hideous distortion of power services, and only one tiny example of places where we could legislate and reduce consumption. Rolling coal, cruise ships, recreational vehicles from RV’s to dirt bikes to snowmobiles - if it’s not for work, cut it out. We could do this today, we’re just too lazy and willing to let the stupids drive the environment to destruction.

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        I agree. We’re in a dire situation for a multitude of reasons. But one of the most important drivers for actual change is human agency. There is still a bit of hope to avoid the greatest catastrophies but we need to loudly demand change.

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        You blaming people trapped in a system, for the system, instead of blaming those who create and profit from said system, is you buying in to propaganda exactly like the people you blame, you’re just on a different branch of the force feeder (the “I think I’m better than other people for buying a metal straw to drink my starbucks with as I ignore the systemic issues” smelling your own farts branch).

        It is you who are lazy (and/or uncomfortable, or scared) to look at the actual cause of the problem, so instead you dismiss people with irrelevant slurs to make yourself feel superior as you do absolutely nothing to address the actual problem

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          An argument which could have been brought forward in a way which would have been outside the very system you describe. Why resort to personal attacks? Did you feel offended?

          As for the question at hand: Do what you can, continue the movement. Ask for better. A part of the problem is that those who can make (bigger) changes have nothing to loose by not changing. Why is that?

          Most of us has the ability to change one thing in our life/work which would be better. Let’s change that one thing. If everyone here does, it will be thousands of changes.

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          Consider: if you were to receive a message like you just sent, would it be likely to have changed your mind? Especially if you weren’t you now, but like the you from let’s say ten years in the past? It’s just a thought, I hope you find it interesting.

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            Just chiming in.

            It would not. Because as long as your brain is brainwashed and full of shit, nothing is going to change. Specially something that goes against your “own believes” !

            You need to fully “reset” your state of mind, either through DEEP meditation, some psychedelics or whatever does the trick to clean up the wired mess your brain is continuously exposed to (pollution, processed food, animals being held in concentration camps, hate, TV, right & left, …).

            It’s the question of “red” or “blue” pill during your life time. That will either break your mental construction/barrier and give you a glimps of what those shadows are in plato’s cave allegory or just stay a captive of your own mind/knowledge of the shadows you’re looking at.

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              9 months ago

              Those who seek, find.

              Those who ask questions, eventually find answers.

              Shrooms may be a shortcut, but the important thing is being RECEPTIVE to what they offer, I would wager.

              My two cents anyway:-D.

        • mojofrododojo@lemmy.world
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          You blaming people trapped in a system, for the system,

          Nope. I’m blaming society for letting the system crumble to satisfy motorheads and the vroom-vroom cult. A decent society would have long ago cut this bullshit off, but we’re not a decent society are we? We let you roam about unshackled, for example.